In our not so humble opinion, a Mac should ALWAYS be a graphic designers tool of choice, but Apple don’t always make it easy for us. 5 OS changes in 5 years? Dude, c’mon…

Join The Angry Designers for a REALLY angry episode, where the gents really go to town on the love/hate relationship between graphic designers and Apple, and the not so fun quirks that often leave us pulling our hair out in frustration 🤬

 00:00
In the past five years, it went from high Sierra and then it went to Mojave. Then it went to Catalina. Then it went to big Sur. Now it's just Monterrey, which is what's killing everything right now because Monterrey is such a huge memory hall. Like it hurts me because I bought a brand new computer last year and it didn't have Monterey. Okay. It had big Sur and I was like, oh, cool. Right. Yeah, it was nice. It was fast Zippy. It was like, Nope, gotta make the upgrade. Soon as I did, I lost all that. I only had it for like two weeks. 

 00:48
This, but I always feel like Wednesday, I have that pressure of, oh my God. There's only two days later. Oh God. I hate that. I wish I didn't. 

 01:01
Screw around yesterday. And. 

 01:03
We have a holiday on Monday, which family day, and we all know how the f*****g holidays mess. 

 01:10
Oh s**t, next week. And you. 

 01:13
Just realize that down a whole day. It's just like, oh boy. Yeah, 

 01:16
Sure weeks really mess with. They really do really. Do you think that you can plan for it? You can't plan for that yet? You absolutely can not plan for that. 

 01:23
Yeah. You're in, you're going to do, a full week's work, but you're just going to have four days to do it this time to step five, 

 01:32
Which just keeps you busy enough as it is. So, what else has been keeping me busy lately? What's up all of our awesome angry designer, listeners and Watchers and viewers. I mean, we're getting a ton of stuff. Everybody's helping out with the reviews. We're getting, a good number of people that are first off the reviews are flattering. They're awesome. Just when you write, just when you think like, okay, I love our people and you start reading some of the stuff and you're like, holy s**t. Like some people like are actually getting really deep and really appreciate this. It's just, it's amazing. That's great. 

 02:06
Right? Absolutely. The coolest. 

 02:08
Thing ever it is, it's just like who thought, cause we're very casual. We're very casual. We don't fit the normal stereotype mold of a designer. Right. We're definitely not as cool as some of the celebrity diners designers out there. This is true. So it's just neat. We just, we just have a f**k. Ton of experience really is what it is. 

 02:27
And, and ranty, goodness, we got a lot of stories that tell buddy chips on our shoulders, 

 02:34
But it is amazing. Honestly, I I've said before, how much I love you guys, man. Damn. Do I love you guys, gals, all of you like, honestly, just so everybody thank you so much. We're getting a lot of great entries in our contest. Again, every month for the next three months, we're giving away a pair of apple AirPods to, somebody who leaves a review, for that month. This month I think we've got like 20 different. So the odds are still really good. Like we're not talking like one in a thousand here, but it's like, cool. Like it just, and it's just, and then I'm interacting with people. I'm reaching out to them to like, Hey, because again, we want you to, by all means, leave us a review and then hit us up on Instagram, drop us a line in messenger and Instagram drop us a message or publicly, and be like, Hey, by the way, let you message here I am. 

 03:20
This way, it just we'll put it in there. We'll make that draw. We'll we'll honestly. Honestly dude, yeah, everybody, I, and this is kind of crazy, but everybody who gives us a review, regardless if they win the AirPods or not, when we get our merch thing going, I'm sending Mirko for free. Oh seriously. Everybody one way or another people are getting something, because honestly it's like just the s**t that they're saying, it's just, it's like, cool. Yes. You know what I have to say? Thank you. Like, literally I'll go broke doing this, but we have to, we just have to. 

 03:53
Everybody who's nice. Deserves a t-shirt or a hat or something. Cool. Or are angry designer, underwear, whatever, preferably ones that we don't wear. Yeah. Sorry. I don't want to discourage anybody. 

 04:06
Yeah. Mind you get Sean's underwear reviews and go through the roof. Shawn's underwear. Jeez, got everybody shut down. Apple. Suddenly the apple iPod. Sophie goes, Ooh. 

 04:27
Yeah. That's a nightmare scenario. Hopefully. 

 04:31
Please everybody, if anybody, if you haven't yet hit us up, leave us a review and you'll be entered to the contest. Either way, at this point, you're all getting some merge. We haven't figured out what that is yet, but everybody's getting something. Yes. 

 04:45
And thank you for being wonderful. Seriously. Wonderful. I know. It's really. 

 04:49
Yeah. It's so cool. It's awesome. So yeah. So you know what else it. 

 04:53
Takes a long time. 

 04:54
What's that. 

 04:55
Rebooting my f*****g. 

 04:57
Computer. 

 04:59
Oh, is your computer doing? I knew you were having issues with it a couple of weeks ago. 

 05:04
It's like a hit and miss right now. It's like, I feel like my computer is going to explode at any point. It plays. Max have always been quirky, you know? But not all way. You don't look. I mean, I remember my old, when I first started and everything, right. Like my very, very first Mac LC 5 75 would do things that the school ones didn't right. It was just like, okay, well mine's got a person and that's what made them kind of cool and s**t. Right now, I mean, it's like, I mine's just a hit and miss I'm ready for it to explode. One of our employees today has been updating her whole and I wonder, I'm like, do not do a software update during the day. Cause you'll lose your whole computer. She did, it was like three hours. It was just, it was like the worlds world's, this is going to happen. 

 05:51
I mean, it's, it just drives me nuts. Like again, apple computers are such big part of this culture of this scene, but honestly we're going through a pretty s****y stretch with apple. You certainly are certainly right. Like, I mean, okay. In the past two years we've had what six now we've had four computers and five motherboards replaced, four computers. One of them was replaced twice. Yep. Mine right now is the one that it's like, oh s**t, this is going to go. It's going to go all the same weird s**t. Right? Like why these are not cheap. We didn't scrimp out. We're all running Mac book pros, the big ass ones or the 16 inch. It's just, it's like a ticking time bomb, between this and between all the little hiccups that they do and random crap, like honestly. Yeah. Hence why today our topic is apple. 

 06:50
Why have you forsaken us? Why have you forsaken us? It's it's I love that title, but it's f*****g true. It is. It is true. So, okay. Go back, go back to a young little Mossimo. Okay. Before I even had a computer, I mean, I was using, Mac computers at, in high school. Right. That was the first time I was actually introduced to it. Right. It was a very crude version of what we have now. It wasn't as elegant, but it was still damn cool. Then, it was kind of a cool club. Right? Cause there wasn't that many of them. Right. And you know, it was unique. It wasn't like those other boring computers that I saw, that was just all black screen. Again, it was just, it was cool. Yes. Finding entering high school. I remember, telling my parents, they had to invest in this LLC 5 75. 

 07:52
Right. I took my debt and again, my parents were, they're hardworking people. Right. Very hardworking. Because again, they were immigrants to the country, ? It was like every dollar made a difference. Right. Went to future shop back then, which is, I guess, which is now best buy. Yeah. And, and I'm like, no, I have to have this computer. It has to be the up. He was seeing this LC 5 75, which was like a thousand bucks back then. He's like, well, why can't you get one of these others? He would point to a Tandy or something. And they were like $300. I'm like, no, no, you don't understand different. This is what I want to do for my living. It has to be an apple. It has to be a Mac. Like it was that obsessive. It was, I was proud to get those stickers member. 

 08:40
Like, you knew you were in an elite club when you had the little apple set. Cause right back then it was striped. Right. It was all rainbow colored. Right. I think the rainbow means something different back then. But I think, I don't know. I'm saying it was their color scheme. Yes. Right. Yeah. You knew it and it was an elite club. It was just so it was cool to be part of that back then. Right. And it literally shaped this culture. It was, it was like the foundation of that company was the creative people. That's what Steve jobs, we don't want her to, although he didn't want to create a computer, like a, a computer company for the people. Right. I don't know if he expected it to be embraced by the creator community. Like it was right, 

 09:19
Right. Yeah. This is true. Yeah. That wasn't really the intent. 

 09:24
Not really. He wasn't very creative himself and he envisioned himself to be very user driven. Right. Absolutely. Right. From the start, if you want to talk about it, foundational UX guy, it had to have been him because he would take stuff and make it easier for people to use. Yes. Yes. So good on him. So, but the culture was just, it was just so crazy. People stuck with apple through the good times, the bad times. Right. Steve jobs gone, everybody was booing Steve jobs, come back, everybody's cheering, they're happy. Right. Like, so it is a total obsessive culture. And I mean, it still exists today. That culture, it certainly does. Right? Like, I mean, when somebody tells you the graphic artists and they're on an IBM or a PC, do you ask questions that, sorry, if I offend anybody, but it's. 

 10:12
True. We're in the weeds here now. 

 10:15
Probably p**s off some people, but you can't help it. You're like, oh, are you sure about that? However, in all fairness, in all fairness outside of north America, they're ridiculous expensive. Yes. I know for a fact that you can run the exact same software on a PC, then you can in a Mac and in other places where they're unrealistic to purchase, PC away in that sense. Right. Like, cause the software knows the same. Yeah. I mean, when we're talking up here, what we grew up and were raised with, right. It really was part of this whole cult, the cult of Mac. It's a real thing. 

 10:48
Totally. Yeah. Absolutely. It was, it was, it was a big deal. And, and you were, when you were driving around and you saw that little apple. 

 10:57
Sticker on the nod, right. You were just like, right on buddy. I'll let you in front of me in the car, right? Yes. Please go ahead me. I mean, what we're experiencing now kind of worries me, and this is why they need to turn this s**t around. It worries me because I've seen other people in history go through the same s**t. Right. Again, a big name in this town was Blackberry. Right? Blackberry was one of the first, I think it was the first smartphone. Right. They came out with the first, like enhanced pager that you could actually send messaging on. Then they started developing phones. Right. And it was huge. It was amazing. And this company grew like, hell weeds. Right? Problem was, they felt, they owned the market. That was the problem. They felt, they owned it. Their customer service sucked. Their products started slipping and they were getting worse. 

 11:52
You talk to people who work there and they were, a lot of them were just arrogant, d***s, even though they were complete morons, I woke up Blackberry. Right. He's just like, dude, like you can't even tie your shoes and they're making, they're letting you make decisions on these phones. Yeah. So, so the company started like, but again, they were the only player. Right. Things started slipping then came the very first iPhone and Blackberry kind of chuckled at it. They're like, nobody's going to want a phone without a key. Cause they had the quirky keyboard. Yeah. Right, right. And, and they were like, whatever. Again, you know, their products started slipping. Their customer service started slipping. They didn't give a s**t. Like if you had a problem with your phone, they didn't want you to call them. They were saying, go to the place you bought them. 

 12:36
You go to the place you bought them. They're like, Hey, we have nothing to do with this. Go to Blackberry. Nobody was taking ownership. Right. People had these phones that they couldn't even use. And it was such a frustrating experience. The user experience was being driven, worse and worse. Yes. 

 12:52
This is, I see where you're going with this. Cause this is a scary scenario because Blackberry is in the same spot there. I remember people that were like their Blackberry phones, whatever the white ones, the torture or whatever the hell it was, they love this product. They were Supreme only loyal to this brand. 

 13:13
Absolutely. They were right. And through thick. 

 13:16
And the company was like, whatever. We're awesome. You're going to, you're going to keep buying our s**t and they don't innovate. 

 13:25
And what. 

 13:25
Was happening. Right. And what happened to that? Yeah. 

 13:28
Your second iPhone came, you saw their sales slipping more, but by the third iPhone, everybody wanted flat screen. Everybody. Nobody wanted the quirky anymore. It was just, it was like just crazy takeoff. If you saw the numbers at that point, like within, oh my God, they disappeared. 

 13:45
They like totally crushed. 

 13:47
Like they actually officially now just, Blackberry's not even supporting cell phones period. Right. Their software done. Yeah. They're completely out of the phone gig at all. Right. My. 

 13:56
Brother-in-law has one. And then, you know what lasted didn't. 

 14:01
Work. Doesn't work now. So he doesn't know any difference. Nobody's told them they stopped. You know, they, that was their fault. Right. They stopped caring. They'd start giving a s**t. Right. And, and again, so their loyal followers got screwed. Yeah. Tesla is going through a lot of this right now. Right. Everybody loves Tesla, everybody thinks Tesla is just the coolest s**t in the market thing is if you look a little deeper within Tesla. They were the first to market, a hundred percent, the first to the scale that they are electric car to the market. Right. You start digging a little deeper to kind of stories, right. Number 27 out of 28 of the worst cars for reliability. Okay. They're under the top 34, like service, like you can't drive in and get your car fixed anywhere. Right. There's been situations, there was a podcast or a YouTube video recently where a guy got a brand new Tesla and it was missing the brake calipers in the back. 

 14:58
It was grinding the discs and he was like, you delivered me a car and it doesn't end. They're like, no, no, that just doesn't happen. I'm sorry. He's like, I'm looking at it. I. 

 15:09
Thought here. 

 15:10
It went on for weeks and weeks. Like six, seven years. It just kept on going on. They wouldn't come fix it. They weren't owning up to it. He had to, and again, there's nobody to call. There's nobody to call. You have to send a message there again, their customer service blows. Yeah. But they're the only guidance. They're the only, they're the only player right now. Yes. Yes. Well, you know what? This year you've got Kia coming up with three or four different electric cars. Fantastic prices. Fantastic quality, better range. You got Hyundai coming out. GM is coming out with, the odd one here or there. Ford's got one. Honestly, I suspect that test is going to go through the exact same s**t. Give tests up three years. I bet you it's just going to be just like Blackberry. They're going to be nosedive. If they don't change this s**t around, you heard it here folks, Three years. 

 15:59
Masimo. The great predict the dog. 

 16:03
We shouldn't talk to you a lot about this because Elon Musk is probably listening to me through his f*****g satellites right now. And he's going to be watching me. Prunella on wait for the record. Didn't like 40 of them fall out of the sky recently because of a geo storm or something. Really, really, it's a real thing. 

 16:21
That's funny, but you're absolutely right. This is the kind of thing. And, and there is that the one element that I think they can hang on to is that prestige element, right? Is it Tesla? Yes. There's a, there's a certain connotation that comes with that name and they're sexy cars too. Absolutely. I don't know whether you put a GM up against it. When are you going to, what are you going to go with? I wonder, 

 16:47
I think there comes a point where people will be enough's enough. Exactly. My worry is that apple has been spending so much time on their iPhone. They're focused on their iPhone so much. Granted the iPhone was all about, it's all about sales, it's stocks. It's, it's like, they're, the world's most valued. Like there were trillions right now, which is crazy. I think $2 trillion. Like it's ridiculous, but their focus is on phones. That's the problem they need to, I mean, they've completely forgot who helped bring that company to what it was, who got them through those rough times. That's the worry like Steve jobs. Although he was a business guy, he really wasn't always about the bottle of heat and said, he'll lose money on computers. If you had to put them out and he was losing money on some of the computers and using like the Lisa and the other computers to actually keep up, this. 

 17:35
Oh, absolutely. It's pretty crazy. Wow. He had a very different vision where, obviously he passed away like, 10 years ago, a little over 10 and then John Ivy left. Right. A lot of the company that, a lot of what we know apple and Mac to be is almost not there anymore. 

 17:54
That's exactly. You can see this because there's not a lot of innovation going on. 

 17:59
Yeah. Not. 

 18:00
Really. Right. In fact, it's kind of devolving into this crazy kind of, like what do they call that parts that are just specific. Yeah. 

 18:12
Or how they're all everything's proprietary, which is like, that feels money-making right. And it. 

 18:17
Has, for a long time you're doing that kind of stuff. You're. 

 18:20
Just a cash grab. It was like the, the 2011 of 2015 model years were fantastic computers. 

 18:28
Awesome. Okay. You'll have one little bit, 

 18:30
Right. You still have up until recently up until I think mine completely died. Like I literally was running a 2013 and it was working great. Cause it was hard for me to justify to get rid of it. 

 18:42
But I had to. 

 18:43
Two cars because it became in their words obsolete. So it really loved it. So we had this awesome year. Right. Again, you can see that was near the tail end of Steve jobs, right. John Ivy was still very actively involved. Right. They started transitioning into this 2016 to 1920 mode, which is what we're all stuck with right now. And these had been pieces of s**t. He's have been garbage. Right. These have been garbage. So wait, so according to apple. Okay. A vintage apple computer is anything that's more than five years old, but less than seven. Okay. So they consider that vintage. You can be like, oh, I have a vintage map because it's cool. Right. However, obsolete is seven years or older. That's when they go out saying that they're not supporting it anymore, which is kind of d*****y in my opinion, because the one thing I liked about, so we'd always have that argument PC versus Mac. 

 19:36
Right. Cause our lead programmer obviously is a PC dude and he'd make fun. He's like, oh, but your stupid computer. I can buy five of my computers for the price of yours. I'm like, but the reality is I keep mine for five years and you are upgrading every single year. So you're more expensive than me. Granted out the door, it is more expensive, but yeah. I mean, again, you buy it, you set it up perfectly and it runs, okay. That was the early generation, this 2016 to 20 men. This is where it's like, there has been what like five different OSTP upgrades. Like every year, there's now an OSI upgrades and it wreaks havoc on everything. Right. It's just, it's driving me nuts. Like honestly, it's like, again, the poor our employee today. Right. I don't want to enter your name home. She literally, she was forced to upgrade because she was running a good, I think she was running what? 

 20:32
Like Mojave or Catalina or something. S**t. She was running. The thing is, it was set up perfectly, right. It was set up perfectly. It was working and what it's like, right? It's about you set up your Mac. It's very personal. Right. And it's working great for her. It was, she, everything was working connections. This that, it was great. Now her programs weren't being supported anymore. Right. Adobe was creative. Cloud was crashing. Dropbox is like, eh, not so much. Chrome was like, oh, you need to upgrade. Right. Because now we don't support. She was forced to do this upgrade. Honestly, this thing is just wreak havoc on like, I mean, she now like lost everything. It took all day to make this upgrade. She lost a full day of productivity, which now she's like, I got to work all night to keep up with this. Right. 

 21:12
I feel bad. Sorry. 

 21:15
And, and it's I used to do that. I used to just wait. I was like, wait, I'm the old operating system. It's now I, you can't either way switch it over. As soon as there is available because it's the, it's a pain or it's a giant ass pain at the end, 

 21:34
You remembered the pain that you went through. When you switched over to big Sur God, it was awful. It was a completely number one. It was buggy like crazy. I could constantly hear you screaming. It was just like, oh, there he goes again. Big Sur, f**k big. It was, you went through hell with that. That was terrible. Now, so with the old operating system, with the old, that 2011 to 15 era, right? Yeah, they were fine if you did an upgrade. Right. And they could last so long. Right. And they did pretty solid these ones. As soon as you don't start making your own upgrades, your computer slows down, like on a regular basis. It's constantly chugging. It's, it's creating new things. Like, that you don't even need anymore every time you do. Every upgrade you make from this point forward with these new systems, it's just, it's totally wreaking havoc on your computer. 

 22:23
Right. In the past five years, it went from high Sierra and then it went to Mojave. Then it went to Catalina. Then it went to big Sur. Now it's just Monterrey, which is what's killing everything right now because Monterrey is such a huge memory hall. Like it hurts me because I bought a brand new computer last year and it didn't have monitoring. Okay. It had big Sur and I was like, oh, cool. Right. Yeah. It was nice. It was fast Zippy. It was like, Nope, got to make the upgrade. Soon as I did, I lost all that performance dude. I only had it for like two weeks. It was just, it's a bunch of b******t. My opinion. I don't, I don't understand. Again, they're dropping the ball here somewhere. Yeah. And I don't know why the, 

 23:06
All these, 

 23:07
That's the whole thing that I'm trying to figure out. The claim it's security. They clean up to work better with this and to work better with that. Right. Again, that whole two, 15 to 20 or two 16 to 21 was fine. I, sorry. I mean, these ones, they're not changing the hardware upgrades for security. There's no reason to go for these huge and they're adding features I don't f*****g care about. Right. Like all of a sudden it's like you set your computer up to work for you. Now on the setting, you have to go from Catalina to big Sur on this and everything you're used to changes. Right. That's the p****r. I think that p****s everybody off, like, and there's no option to go back. Yeah. That's the. 

 23:44
Frustrating part for me that does suck, but also in the same breath and I might be defeating our own argument here, but it's like, we're in a business of constant change anyway. I know what I mean, but it's that, it's that your home base, the tool that you work with, all of a sudden, the hammer is flipped upside down and there's two ends to it. You know what I mean? Like it just changes everything and it takes a while to get used to, we do, 

 24:09
We can do it. 

 24:10
Because we have to because we're adaptable people and this is kind of what, 

 24:14
I mean, it's a business and that's the part like it's so I, I, although I, I always have a relationship with my s**t, dude. I've kept almost every one of my, I got a collection of seeing. 

 24:24
This guy's office. 

 24:24
It's an upstairs. I got some, I've got like a, I just found an LC 5 75 from day. I bought that. So, I mean, again, it's, I am very much part of the cult of Mac big time, but so I have of an emotional connection to the brand and to the computers, but when you start getting it and it works for you and it, and you develop that relationship, I talk to my back. Right. I compliment her when she does well. It's, so it hurts me when all of a sudden it's like, they're forcing you to argue with this thing on a regular basis. Right? 

 25:00
Yeah. It really does color, your, how, how you feel about it. Cause I mean, five years ago were f*****g rock solid. There was no question at all that back was the best you're writing since sliced bread. Now you're just really come on guys. 

 25:20
This is, you know what, you're right. You're right. I remember before you would justify a mag because they were Bulletproof, they would last, they would never have any problems. Right. Okay. The phones they can be actually, I I'm pretty lucky with my phone too. I don't know about you, but yeah. 

 25:34
Yeah. The funny thing is the phone is a f*****g tank thing. Like s**t, 

 25:42
Dude, I dropped mine in the toilet, not once but twice. And it. 

 25:45
Still works because you got the rice. 

 25:47
Thing. No, I actually didn't. I just quickly grabbed it, you know? Once in the bathtub quickly grabbed it, my ninja skills, but the toilet one was awkward, but it was clean. I mean, where I'm going with it is, I mean, those things, they, although they did go public, did they not by seeing what they guaranteed the phones to only work with. 

 26:09
Yeah. There was like a lawsuit against them and they went public by saying it was only supposed to last this way, you get a new one. Horrible. 

 26:17
Right. That's what sucks about this whole. 

 26:21
Peter thing. And of course they're there. What is the USB three now with the headphones? Oh dude. Dictate getting rid of that quarter inch or the Jack. 

 26:29
Regular Jack. The rest of the. 

 26:31
World's the standard. Yeah. That's a, 

 26:34
They don't even give you a dongle. 

 26:37
Separately. 

 26:38
This is why dongle life is a thing. Right? Like again, it's ridiculous. They do these things that, and more so lately I've noticed that before that almost four. Okay. Now Steve jobs was notorious for constantly doing things like putting in special screws. People couldn't open up their maximum selves and all these new attachments. They were pretty notorious for doing this kind of s**t. Yeah, I'm not going to lie all the new changes that I've seen. I'm not feeling the love, not feeling designer love. Nope. I'm not saying that I'm going to jump ship by any means yet, but I can see now that the competition is becoming, the playing field is getting a lot more level. This is true. If they're not careful this day, because they're focusing on their phones, not on this side of the business. I mean, again for f**k sakes, we are the ones who carried these cocksuckers through this all, that's the part that's annoying me. 

 27:29
We are the loyal base and we're the first ones to get s**t on. 

 27:32
Yes. Yes. I think that was even a huge, like everybody was complaining 18, 2019 because they weren't even updating the PowerMax. They weren't updating, like the workhorses that, like so many of us were using in place. It is kind of s****y in that sense, right? They're a trillion multi-trillion dollar company, right? 2 trillion, 3 trillion suits, most valued company in the world over a f*****g phone, which is incredible. And it's like, you know what? Show the designers who love. 

 28:01
That and go back to the computers please. 

 28:05
Like seriously, if, if my damn computer randomly shuts down for no f*****g reason, restarts, I'm going to lose it. 

 28:16
Like it. 

 28:16
Would just random. I'll be working. I'll just be working on a project, whatever. All of a sudden it's like black screen and then being starts up again. Then it starts up again. She was like, what the hell just happened there? 

 28:29
God are you. 

 28:30
Serious? And it's always like when the time is tight, the deadline is around the corner. It's almost like a trick. Like what's going to happen next with my damn computer. 

 28:39
Oh God. Oh yeah. That's that reminded me of when my motherboard went. You remember that you remember how fun I was to deal with. 

 28:50
You had like three different computers running at the same time. Cause you didn't know what to trust anymore, 

 28:55
But it was the same thing. It was like, it wouldn't allow me to do, to sign into creative cloud in my, into my crane cloud. It was signed into creative cloud on another computer. Yes. For whatever reason, doing all this troubleshooting online, listening to people like reading forums and all kinds of s**t, not a peep from any Mac people whatsoever. Right? Like other than the fact that, well, this shouldn't happen. We'll look into this. 

 29:24
Oh, you mean by everybody's everybody has the same problem, but they're not saying anything. 

 29:30
Well, yeah. There's forums, but people, yeah, me too. And all kinds of other. And they're like, 

 29:34
Oh, we'll check into. 

 29:36
This. Finally took it into the genius bar. The guy said, well, your motherboard is fried. This is the problem. It's like, f**k. 

 29:43
Julie. And you know what? The funny thing is that was like number four of our five that got replaced. Yeah, absolutely. That one was just, it was a brand new computer. 

 29:54
Once it was a brand new computer. I guess maybe we should, this is terrible, but maybe we should make a plug to apple care Because if it wasn't for. 

 30:03
That, it would have been about fair enough. Fair. About a pretty costly, The stupid Newport's the USB SU ports. I mean, they're constantly frying. They are always honestly is going now to like it fries and then you take it in and they're like, yeah, the board's fried. We'll do port check. Oh, we might as well replace your mother work while we're at it. And it's true that happened. Even though we've gotten all these motherboards replaced, went in for two of them because the ports weren't working. Thank God for AppleCare Aperol, Mike . Yeah, like these ports, they keep, I mean, they're supposed to be made for regular use. This is how we connect to everything. You think that you'd make them Bulletproof? Yes, exactly. They're just failing across the board, these stupid ports. Right. Everybody's like scrambling because it's like, you got four ports now you've only got one working for Mac. 

 30:55
Only had one in the back working. It was just like, she had like a dongle with five extra and I'm just like, dude, take it in. Let's just take it in. Or I love when it's like randomly my, my stupid Mac book pro sounds like it's going to take off like a jet fighter jet randomly. I'm just like, I'm working away quietly. Not nothing changes. And just randomly. Like, I'm like, I'm waiting for it to just leave my hands and then it just doesn't stop. Yeah, exactly. 

 31:29
You can see the battery go, 

 31:32
Even though it's plugged in. You shouldn't be draining. Right. I just, I have that one and I've gone into like, that could mean there is something not like the terminal, but it tells you the activity monitor and it says what's actually nothing's running. That's what worries me. It's like, well, who's checking in on me then all of a sudden for my band to be like, there's a s**t load of activity going on. Hold on. 

 32:05
Yeah. It's probably moderate. 

 32:15
Oh dude. It, and it does suck because again, so granted, our MacBook pros have got four ports. Right. You know, the airs and stuff. They've only got two. What are you going to do with two ports? Yeah, exactly. Seriously. Especially because, I don't even think they have like a Jack for your phone or whatever. Like it's ridiculous and one needs to be power. So you're down to one pool. You're down to one. So again, live in the Duncan, 

 32:40
It should be on a t-shirt or something like that. 

 32:42
And the dongle life. Some of the external stuff uses USB-C for some stuff, but then a display port for other stuff. Like, and again, I don't know why they're not talking to everybody because this is what we need. We need like display ports. We need to connect to everything. 

 32:58
Yes. This is part of your job. Like, Aw, dude, I don't know too many designers that work just on the laptop screen. Anything can awesome. Good, good on you. I'm I'm my eyes are old. I need the extra speeds to, for my progress or, to get this going, but can I bring up the mouse? Can I tell a little mouse that awesome charging most. 

 33:24
Never fails in the middle of a project. It tells you. 

 33:28
Your mouse is dead. Mouse is dying, 

 33:30
It's died and you can't work your most plugged in at the same time. Cause they it's underneath the f*****g, 

 33:39
Dude, Jesus, come on guys. You've never seen a mouse before. It's ridiculous. 

 33:46
We have it in the back. We have plugin. We have plugin mice here. We have like extra ones in the back just because just always happens. You're working. You don't want to stop plugging your damn mouse. Again, it has to be plugged into the damn computer to charge more in the wall charger. I mean, again, I'm not going to go plug it in my wall charger. Cause that's what my damn phone is being. Drudged so unplug the phone and plug in my mouse. It's not like I can use my phone now to be my mouse. It should figure that out. There should be some Bluetooth connectivity where you can use your phone isn't pad or something. But that's really what again, 

 34:19
What are they thinking? I don't understand that. I don't get what's called a mouse. A mouse has a tail. You plugging in the back and you still. 

 34:27
I'm sure they could have figured out a way to make it still stylish and sexy. Would've looked cool and plugged in, use it. This is what I mean, like, I feel like the usability in the company has slowly started to drop. Like they're not thinking about the user experience and clearly not all dude. Steve jobs was so obsessed with that. John Ivy obviously was, very obsessed with that. I I'm just not feeling the love anymore. Like they're making silly stuff. 

 34:52
Yeah. Totally jobs is rolling around in his grave. 

 34:56
Where you could almost hear him screaming from there. It's time to replace your Mac, when it's time to replace that damn thing. Right. Obviously when they start considering it, obviously that's kind of a slap in the face five years. 

 35:13
Is obsolete. No, 

 35:14
7, 7, 5, 7 vintage five is vintage. It's like a nice wine. Right. Unlike wine, after seven years, it's gone. You're supposed to just trash this. Right. But no. It's obsolete, you can't run the latest version of OSTP, which sucks. Yeah. And what sucks. That even applies for the home computers. Like I thought, okay, fine. You know what? I'll let my kids use it as like a Chromebook is just like a fun. No, because then all of a sudden Chrome isn't supported, you're not supporting this and it's just it wreaks havoc across the whole system. It just, I don't want to constantly be buying the s**t to fill up landfills and that's dude, I have a collection. I swear. I've got like eight obsolete iPads at my house doing nothing. I've got three or four computers sitting there. I just, I don't know what to do because people can't, I, it hurts me to bring this s**t to a landfill people aren't thinking about it, thinking this s**t through which really kind of unfortunate. 

 36:10
Other than, or maybe they are, I mean, this is planned obsolescence at its finest. Right. Which is really unfortunate. I mean, but they have to better with the recycling aspect of this. Because if you're going to be churning out this stuff and expecting us to buy a new computer every five years, you gotta be able to do something To help the environment at the very least. Cause I suck, as I said, we'll be buying this s**t. So, 

 36:40
So, so obviously, if you cannot, if you can upgrade sadly, you might as well start planning for that next computer. I hate to say it. That next investment you have to, another reason when you might want to get is like, you're just running out of space. Sadly old computers had smaller, hard drives. Right. And it's ridiculous. It's f*****g ridiculous. Re f*****g ridiculous. That's a good word. It's f*****g ridiculous. When it's like, before, you're like, oh my God, like, 250, like gigabyte hard drive. Oh my God. I'm never gonna use that. I'm never gonna use it. Well now my damn operating system takes like a hundred gigs. Dropbox, sometimes it's like taking another hundred. Again, when you're running Photoshop, it's like scratch desk is all stretch it dude like, oh, it's frustrating me. Right? Like let's keep in mind. Okay. Super Marios. Okay. The game super Mario that everybody knows and loves and is played. 

 37:41
You don't do that entire game was 35 kilobytes. What Hylo bytes, dude, I have emails that are bigger than that because I talk about the weather like 35 kilos. There is no reason files are getting as big as they are right now. It's, that's another rant altogether. Needless to say, if you're constantly running out of space, I hate to say it doesn't get any better. I mean, you can see our last podcast about storage. There are options they're only going to last for so long there's options. Right. It's true. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Shockingly enough, you need to upgrade if the hardware you have can't even run the s**t you're trying to do, which again, we used to run. I mean, again, 15 years ago I used to have like a power Mac that doesn't even exist anymore. It was a Quadra power Mac. You could soup it up. 

 38:34
What's up. And that was a big ass. Oh right. There was, it was really cool looking. Right. And, and again, we used to run like billboards on those right. Massive billboards. We were, and were doing it with like 24 megabytes of Ram and a hard drive of like 150 megabytes. You can't tell me that now that we're running thin light web apps, we need all this processing dude. It's, it's, there's a bigger conspiracy going on here. Now that I'm getting into this one, but I'm telling you because there's no reason that we constantly have to keep reinventing this s**t. We should be getting leaner. Not exactly, but needless to say, I, in the world that we live in, because we're just, the Lilly graphic designers. 

 39:20
We're just the people that buy the products. 

 39:22
That they can create, they don't care about it. They don't care about it anymore. Unfortunately, we can't run those apps. It's almost time to consider getting that upgrade, getting a new computer. And, and unfortunately, if it gets too old, all these software upgrades that we now can't upgrade to or cussing the computer glitch out, which really sucks because now all of a sudden it's like, can't support this. Can't do this. Can't operate that. That's frustrating because you're just trying to get s**t done. Yes. It is time sadly to make that upgrade. Yeah. 

 39:51
Yes. I've heard people online, they have been purchasing what you would call a vintage Mac. Right. They go back a couple of years and buy a refurbished Mac. Yup. Yup. Yup. Use that, but with all the glitches and s**t that's gone on within the last four years. Yeah, 

 40:12
Yeah. This generation. Do you want to stay away from that? You want to, it's funny. Cause yeah, two years ago, one of our employees here opted for, so he was in 2000, 1918. Yeah. He actually went online to look for 2015. He intentionally went to look for a refurbished one because he did all the research. He was really thorough, this purchase, shocking, very good for him. And, and he went and seek out this specific 2015 model, because again, that was the golden years and it was the last of, so he knew what he was buying. Right. Sadly, it's going to be obsolete this year. Yeah. 

 40:50
So say he's still rocking it, but, 

 40:52
But you know what? He's smart because he's already had, he's already planted the seed with me. Pastor. So he's smart guy. Smart guy. Brilliant. 

 41:04
Yeah. So he will skip this whole. 

 41:07
Fresh generation we had, he will write. He will. So I mean now, okay. If there is, if there is light at the end of this tunnel right now, it seems this M one chip Mac is just killing it across the board. Right. Again, don't buy these Judy's funny years, this Intel year, whatever the hell they were doing, right. It's this M one ship is now their solution to their own chip. Right. Versus their old DMD chip. Yeah. It's killing it. Like the speed tests are f*****g remarkable. Yeah, dude. I'm talking like something as simple as a Mac mini, what a Mac is right there. Like cheapest, f*****g Mac, you can get it's 800 bucks. Okay. You get a Mac menu with an M one chip and they were doing speed tests on this for things like video render and stuff. And it was healing. Everything else. 

 41:58
It was killing it with just like, cause it solid state drive the M one chip like this M one chip is right now, everything I'm looking and okay, of course it's got its quirks and I'm okay with that. Mac has its quirks, but this chip is just killing it across the board. So, if you have to make that upgrade, don't touch anything in these sad years, don't go there. Like go to jump to this M one chip. Cause apparently like this thing's a screamer. Again, the nice thing is this little Mac mini, if you don't need to get a, a MacBook pro or something portable this new Mac book, mini is like 800 bucks, 900 bucks. It's got the processing power of there's nothing. Like what it has is just as powerful as a Mac book pro dude, it kills the Mac, but really they were doing speed. 

 42:42
They were doing speed checks, this, rendering this type of pro versus this little tiny, like, like underpowered 250 gigabyte hard drive, like, Mac mini. It was just like four times as fast for video renders for processing. I went on YouTube a couple of days ago, just curious about it in case I need to upgrade one of the guys in the back and they were going on the guys, they were just like, what? I only bought this thing as a test. Yeah. Now I'm using it all the time because it's so fast. If you have to get a new machine and it doesn't have to be a laptop yep. Consider, at the low end, the cost effective, the new Mac mini, you can get your own monitor at this point, like can kind of get as big as you want. You can go two monitors wide. 

 43:26
If you need to, this little is a screamer apparently. Right. If you're going to do it and you're close to that September, October time of year, that's when they always launched their new s**t. So, so if it's like December, you needed a computer, fine, go buy it. If it's like July, you might as well hold off, like go to the beach for another month, hang out and be a peach bump and come back and buy the, because honestly like this is when they introduced new s**t and it would suck to buy the old generation if they just launched like an M one version of only take vector-based jobs for that month. Only just mine you'll be able, you'll get by then for sure. Yeah. The most important piece of advice always buy AppleCare clock sakes, dude, that has saved us so many thousands of dollars. 

 44:17
They won't give you a computer in the meantime, but at least you're not going to be picked because of that motherboard. Of, I think the five motherboards we've replaced and I had to pay for one of those did a thousand bucks. When I saw the bill, I was just. 

 44:30
Like apple care covered thousands of. 

 44:32
Dollars. Well, it said the one computer hydro place was past AppleCare and in my own pocket. Yeah. Now there's one thing last for apple care. I always bite up to three years. Three years. Yeah. Generally, generally I do find that if something breaks, technically it does it within the first year. Yes. I find it's faulty now. Okay. That's not the say these stupid ports, these little ports are a little different, right. USB things. They're just, they're weak, that's poor design. I don't know what they were thinking. Right. Those you gotta be extra gentle with, but anything else that might be faulty seems to always go within the first year. So AppleCare worries. I mean again for the little bit of money yeah. Do the three year because. 

 45:09
Yeah, I still, and the thought of switching to a different minor, a different operating, operating system yet. I just, I, I can't when I left here for that brief interlude there, when I don't even remember who said the. 

 45:23
Years, we do not speak dark times, dark. 

 45:25
Times for the first two weeks I worked on a PC and it was f****d. I actually went in and I said, dudes, I can't do this. I need them. 

 45:36
Did they get you on? They did. They did. 

 45:38
Cain sorta came back to normal, but it was just like, it's I remember just feeling, it was like my left hand. I was working with my left hand. It was just, it was terrible. It's such a awkward situation with your left hand. Could never stranger. Yeah. The strange With a stranger. But yeah, it was just awful. All these years logged on a Mac. I can't see myself. 

 46:06
No, no. And it's true. I've but that's part of the problem. That is the problem I've played with PCs. I've like when you go to some people's houses or the neighbors like, oh, you work with computers, can you fix this? Like, I don't know a single thing about PCs, but I'll try remarkably. She keeps calling me because I sometimes keep mixing these two mistakes. Oh, I hate this. It's true that the field, the vibe, the click, the searching functions, it is foreign. Even though they're still running the same apps, how you access Dropbox. So different. How you access, sorry for us this Dropbox, but how you act like every single piece of the experience. I'm sorry if I offended anybody, listen to us, who's on a PC. It's a very different. 

 46:50
It is. And I'm sure people can do it. It's all what you've come up with and what you're used to kind of. 

 46:55
Thing. Right. I guess. Right. If you have to you're right. If you have to. 

 46:58
Yeah. Again, that's the thing it's like, just Mac is intuitive. Like we always have this discussion with all the people, oh, back. 

 47:07
There I bought the iPhone versus Android, 

 47:09
The Android phone. I'm like, how could you work on a g*****n all day and go to that goofy Andrew, 

 47:18
The one girl dropped hers and the toilet. I was like, just go to the, go to Walmart and the toy section. You can buy yourself another one, excuse me. Where are the Androids next to Barbie? It's true. It's so long. It doesn't feel the same. And we have these arguments, 

 47:43
You've worked on a Mac all day. Why wouldn't you want that on your phone? 

 47:47
'cause that's how they get you because they make, your phone can connect to your phone or to your laptop. My damn watch your watch all this. We got the air ponds on this, like, and they get in it. The problem is, it all works incredibly well together. It is so freaky. Like, dude, those AirPods, I just opened the charging lid and take it out. It's connected to my, because I don't have to do anything. I, it's just like, it's like a ping. And there it is. It's, it's remarkable. My phone, like my stupid watch. I tried to get rid of this because I, I ha I like watches. Yeah. This thing makes it so damn convenient. Yeah. It's like, it's like literally I got a beautiful new watch for Christmas that I was like, I'm going to start watching. I'm going to start wearing time pieces again. 

 48:31
It's just like, oh, it's gonna, I'm gonna have to wean off. It's crack the apple crack. Here I am as loyal as I am. There's, there's a few hundred million of MES out there doing this. Totally. And they're p*****g all over us. 

 48:46
They really, and we wanted to stop. Well, yeah, 

 48:50
Please start their own sake, honestly, for their own sake, because they are going to start losing an enemy. Whether it's now, whether it's in a year or two years, three years, people are gonna start. If she doesn't turn around. 

 49:00
Blackberry, this is a great example. Yeah. That was a giant. 

 49:04
Giant company. They look like they were unbeatable and they. 

 49:07
Ignored. 

 49:08
Everything and just thought that all the answers. Exactly. 

 49:11
Yeah, exactly. Now they're relegated to the dustbins of history, basically. You know what I mean? Like, geez guys, 

 49:17
It's so true. And honestly, keep an eye on Tesla. The shit's going to happen. I test three years. I honestly let's have this conversation in three years. I'm totally going to, you'll see. I'm telling you. I don't even know if it'll take that long. To be honest, when I hear these stories about dude, there was a story about somebody who was hit by another car. Like his bumper was ripped off. It took him six months to get another bumper, get another gun private. And the problem is his stupid. His, like insurance only paid for like three weeks of car rental. They're like, sorry, take it up with test it. The dude had no car for all that time. He's probably paying for the car still. Yeah, absolutely. Wow. So luxurious. So sophisticated. 

 49:59
Diverged too much on this. What happens if you go to a Tesla dealership, they can't order you that before. 

 50:05
Isn't dealerships. That's the profit. That was one on no, we're not sure what that place is. You can't go in and buy one. You have to go online and order one to do this. Pretty crazy that like, I think that's like one of those model places we can go in and take a look. Oh, is that what it is? You can't pull up and get fixed there. They only make parts on demand, which is f****d up. So something's with your car. It's not like they're like here, let's pull it from inventory. No, no. They're building, there's no inventory, which is why you have to wait. You wonder what else is sliming FYI. Nobody else they have actually made. Somehow they've gotten into the guard. I have no idea how they do this. There's a law in the states and almost all the states had to comply. 

 50:48
Nobody else can fix a Tesla, but Tesla. Oh s**t. So you can't even go somewhere. There's people online that are doing this, but there's all these disclaimers, I'm not recommending this on the hobby, this, that, because obviously they'll get shut down, but you can't even fix your own damn car. So, or take it to like a third-party shop. No, you've got to, so again, nobody hears about this. I'm shocked, but do yourselves a favor, check it out. It's kind of fun. Interesting. Yeah. Wow. I only know all this because I wanted to buy one is there, I did a, wanted to buy one, but f*****g cool. You were like, and again, I'm really big and I love tech in this sense. And I do think the future. I do think the future of cars, even though I, I love cars and I have all these combustion engine cars, I do think, the future is still electric and solely. 

 51:30
It makes sense. That is the leader right now. It looked good when I started doing the reviews, dude, there's no way in hell I was being that's bad customer service or just bad in general. Again, my worry is I'm not connected to Tesla in any which way, shape or form, but I am connected to apple. Yes. I think a lot of us are, because again, we were brought into this, you were brought into this society of the Mac and being graphic designers. This is th this is the go-to. Yep. We're not feeling the love right now. So, so apple of anybody at apple is like hearing this right now, please, by all means, reach out, spank us by home beings. If we're not right, but do something about this. Cause you've got, 300 million online, listeners that are absolutely passionate. What your product. Yes. And not just the iPhone. 

 52:22
Yes. We need something else that helps us be present and forsake us. Yeah. Why have you forsaken? All right. All right. All right. I think we're good with this. Yeah. Alcohol's kicked in. We're good. That was a good ride. That was a good brand. It was actually a branch. Wasn't it? Wow. We hit the Swinburne times this week. Since we had something like this, we've been helpful. I'll put to this point, but every once in a while, help know it's going to help each other by to sleep tonight. Let me tell you, so listen, if anybody actually made it this late in the podcast, first off, congratulations way to go pretty big feet. But by all means, don't forget. We have this awesome contents going on right now. Leave this podcast, go online and leave us a review on apple and Spotify, and then hit us up on our Instagram account and let us know. 

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 54:02
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