Password management SUCKS 🤦‍♂️

There’s no way around it – it’s time consuming, it’s awkward to keep on top of, and we can GUARANTEE that far too many of you reading this right now use the same damn password for all of your stuff, right?

With so much at stake if it all goes wrong it is CRUCIAL you have your password game on when it comes to keeping those passwords smart and secure

Join The Angry Designers for a fascinating look at the frankly freaky topic of password management. In this episode the bearded gents cover: 

• How Hackers often Crack Passwords
• Top ways accounts are hacked
• Critical thing to do with your Password
• Best practices

By the end of this episode, you will be a force to recon with for anyone to hack your system!

 00:00
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S**t kicks it outta there. 

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I know why he always, he hates ice so much. 

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 00:41
Tonight is a little bit of scotch. 

 00:44
Is this what? This is? SCO SCOtch. I like scotch SCOtch, 

 00:51
Scotch. Wow. But you don't. When I, when see, when I drink that I feel mature. This is now come into the mature designer, the. 

 00:59
Mature designer. Yeah. We need big fat stogie to go with. That would work. Great. That would be ideal. Oh. 

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Yeah. Actually that's good though. That's a good flavor. 

 01:09
That's. 

 01:09
Not bad. Right? That's a nice change. Glen fit is tonight's it's libation of choice. Yes. 

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Yes. 

 01:14
Excellent. That's nice. So yeah. So this ended up coming. It's. 

 01:17
Got that PD kind of flavor though. No, 

 01:19
And that's okay. Pete's okay. I like, 

 01:21
Oh, you do. 

 01:21
I, I like Pete, so. 

 01:23
Course. 

 01:23
Pete's. 

 01:24
A good guy. Pete. 

 01:25
Pete makes me feel good. So yeah. So welcome. Welcome, welcome. Yes. To the angry designer podcast, generally, I'd just like to just jump in a conversation, but wanted to remind everybody that by the time this episode gets aired, we're probably gonna be in our second month of our awesome contest. Right, right. Where we are giving away a pair of air pods, for you guys to go and listen to our awesome podcast and maybe some other ones that are just kind of, okay. Not as fun as ours, you'll be back. Yeah. Yeah. You'll be back. You'll be back. All you gotta do to get entered in this contest is to go and leave us a review on apple podcast or on Spotify or one of the other services, and then hit us up on our Instagram and let us know that you did that. And I mean, the responses been great. 

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Review's been great. We, we want a couple reviews just to help us reach more people and puts us higher in the rankings right now we're doing some pretty, we've got some pretty good rankings across the globe in some countries. I know it's kind of crazy and we're proud of it, but it's did you say. 

 02:24
Across the. 

 02:25
Globe, across the globe? 

 02:27
S**t. 

 02:28
I know. 

 02:29
Worldwide. 

 02:30
Dude. It's cool. Cause I mean, you get people from Australia, you get people from India. We get people from south America. It is pretty cool. That's bizarre. It is. It's awesome. It's awesome, UK. Of course. Wow. So, in order to reach out to more people, we're holding this contest so we can get a couple more. Please by all means, love us or hate us, drop us a review, let us know what you think. Say hi, of course. Hit us up on Instagram. Let us know. Yeah. Right. Yes. So that's our contest otherwise. Right now we're probably in March when this is gonna air that's right. Yep. Again, so it's gonna be February, March and April. We will be, revealing who the winner is course on each one. 

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Yes. 

 03:05
Oh. So, but we haven't actually finished February 1st, right? 

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February. 

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That's true. Technically when we're recording this, we still have another. 

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To go. Will we be able to announce next week then? Maybe, 

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Maybe, or maybe we'll just stick it ahead. 

 03:15
Of time or something. Yeah. 

 03:16
Okay. That's only, you have to even let us. 

 03:18
Can't wait. I can't wait. Kinda fun. Right? This is all. 

 03:21
Like our first real cool. Wow. Does this feel like a total like we and Gar thing. Right? Cool man. So yeah. So back to Pete. 

 03:30
Love Pete. Yes. Back to Pete whole Pete. So. 

 03:34
Pete, as I was telling you the story about how I got this, so of course here, the weekend, we just finished the weekend that right. Come Saturday, does it? My youngest come down with a fever. 

 03:44
Oh. 

 03:44
No. Right now with, everybody's still, COVID hyper crazy. Right. So, she comes down with a pretty wicked fever, which sucks. Right. When kids get fevers and you don't know what the hell to do. Yeah. Of course I'm panicking little bit because of the fever, but even when more so, because I knew I'd be home for three, four days and I had no alcohol that. 

 04:03
I was, I was just like, 

 04:06
S**t, how am I gonna get through. 

 04:07
This? 

 04:09
So, so needless to say, one of our awesome employees, she brought over, a Jameson and this, 

 04:18
This is how you guys, 

 04:20
How I got this. Oh yes. So, you know, 

 04:22
I was gonna say, you wouldn't go outta your way normally to buy, to buy scotch Irish whiskey or scotch would. 

 04:27
You, but the Jameson was amazing. Yes. That I snagged up on the weekend. I didn't have to finish this one up that's but so that's how this came to be nice. That's how we're drinking this right now. Right. So, of course she was okay, come, I mean, her fever got pretty high come Sunday. She was totally good. She went back to normal. Good. It kind of resurfaced on Monday. So she still stayed home from school. Now it's like, if you get a fever symptoms, this is five days you gotta stay home. 

 04:51
Right. Is that really like. 

 04:53
Mandatory? Pretty much. This is. 

 04:54
The thing it's like, how do we know nowadays? What's what's a regular cold and what's COVID. 

 04:58
Well, I think that's why they're not is this anymore. Cause right. Cause they're like, I think the COVID that we're living and dealing with now is, seems like it's manageable. Yes. 

 05:07
Right. Seems and the numbers have gone way down. Yeah. 

 05:09
Yeah. People are getting it. It's mild symptoms, it's heavy, cold, like flu. Right. So that's okay. We've come a long way to be able to say that confidently. Right. 

 05:20
Dude, it's been like two years since I've been sick. Like, like I have a sniffle every once in a, a while. Your hands I've never been. 

 05:30
Yeah. Weird. Right? Like I've never been so hygienic. 

 05:33
Yes, exactly. And. 

 05:35
Cause of it I'm It's so true, dude. 

 05:37
Oh, you're so protected. You wearing a mask vaccinated up the walls. It was just like, God. Right. This is great. 

 05:46
With this whole, with this whole, me at home weekend, there's not much I could do. Right, right. Other than stay away from the kids. Yeah. Right. Cause that's what you gotta do. Yeah. And, and so I, I caught up on TV and I literally binge watched okay. The whole first season a Mr. Robot. 

 06:03
I gotta watch that honestly. Oh, he is a good, so. 

 06:06
It was, it was unexpected. Yeah, it was. Okay. One of my all time favorite shows ever was the old movie hackers. Okay. This goes back about 20, 25 years ago. You young angel Jos the big star, but there are some other celebrities on there now that you would recognize now from back then. Right. Right back then they were all like starting, but she was one of the main characters back then, which is kind of interesting to see what she looked like. Yeah. Again, and it's funny cuz you look back now at like the technology that they were talking about. There. 

 06:33
Got a. 

 06:33
Sweet processor. 

 06:35
Here. Eight. 

 06:36
Megabytes of him. Wow. 

 06:40
Oh my God. 

 06:40
Pretty funny. I mean the soundtrack was amazing and you had this cool vibe. So Mr. Robot is like the modern day version. Right. Again, this dude, who's a hacker, by day he protects his company that he's, he's working for by, preventing hackers and then at nighttime, he is a hacker. Right. 

 06:56
He's a black hat and a why. 

 06:58
Okay. Yeah. That's cool. That's cool. So yes. I need this to say, I mean, it was a great f*****g show. 

 07:03
Wow. I've heard good things about. 

 07:04
It. Yeah. So it was cool. I highly recommend there's three more seasons I gotta go to. Yeah. Of course watching this and seeing how easy this dude is getting in and out of people's lives and finds out about them and he's just talking it through and you're just like, wow, we've been idiots all this time. Right. Which is where tonight's, podcast theme came from is literally watching this show and it's just like, wow, like passwords, we, we don't think anything of passwords and how to keep our s**t secure. 

 07:31
That's right. ABC 1, 2, 3. Those are all mine, dude. 

 07:34
It's ridiculous. That's a real thing, honestly. Like we do honest with you, but it's just like, we take this all for granted and this s**t is so real. Yeah. Right. And it's so real. I mean, again, we store everything in the cloud and granted it's all, locked down, password protected. Now we're experimenting with also giving ourselves hard copies, but you hear these stories of, people hacking into accounts from a, in this perspective. Yeah. Hacking in, locking down all your files. Right. And holding 'em hostage. Oh. And literally it's like pay me. Yeah. Or, and I will give you the key to uncrypt it. Oh. Half the time that stupid key doesn't even work. Oh. So you're screwed. 

 08:13
Really. 

 08:13
Dude. And that's scary. Oh yeah. That s**t happens. Honestly it's like the part that's scary is okay. As a freelancer that's, that might be of concern. I actually will be a hundred percent screw that. Yeah. Freelancer or not. We are all privy to some pretty everything we have with our customers to NDA. Like I always tell everybody we live and breathe NDAs. Like as soon as you walk into our front door yeah. Assume, it's NDA the past 20 years. It's like everything we hear from customers, we never talk about outside of here. Yes. Because we can't. Yes. We knew, about Blackberry going to s**t before the rest of the world was right. We knew, like we at preview, but technology years ahead of time, because that's how we help with brand. That's how we help with their software. That's how we help with the UX. 

 08:55
Right? Yeah. All the sudden if people outside of here get ahold of this information, just because were hacked. Yeah. That doesn't mean that we're off the hook. Yes. We are totally liable. Like legally for. 

 09:06
This. Oh s**t. Really dude. 

 09:07
Wow. It's not just a matter of, and then of course, if somebody hacks their system and takes their files, dude, like what's left, right? Like again, so this so much to this, that was freaking me. 

 09:16
Out this weekend. 

 09:18
Just like it started off as a great, , 

 09:21
This is why you like the Jameson. 

 09:23
That's why I went through. 

 09:24
The, you dependent on it. 

 09:25
Oh my God dude. But like, wow. Honestly, it's like, what happens if it gets in the wrong hands and this and that. It's really started me think that I think there's so much here that we take for granted. Yeah. Much ridiculousness that still happens that honestly, angry designers need to know better. We just need to, we it's our duty to set the record straight into a lot of s**t. So people don't do this stuff. Right. 

 09:49
Oh good. It's just. 

 09:50
It's. Well, and again, we live in a cloud-based world. Yeah. Everything we do. All of our business, all of our communications, everything is now online. Yes. And, and honestly, people aren't taking passwords serious enough. So that's what we're covering today. 

 10:03
Myself included. Oh. 

 10:04
Dude, I, 

 10:06
You tell me that. No, no. How many times have you told me to get on board with the one password dude, 

 10:11
Dude, you need, and now more than ever, I'm gonna kick your password. 

 10:14
To do dude. I am I, after this weekend after reading this, I was just like, holy, some of this stats. 

 10:20
Are ridiculous. Yes. So it's absolutely crazy. It's sad. There was a research study done at, one of the password companies, one of the password software companies and the average person these days is expected to remember on average, a hundred passwords. Holy. 

 10:36
S**t. 

 10:36
100 f*****g now again at first you're like, that's impossible. 

 10:39
Yeah. Yeah. There's no way. 

 10:41
Think about it. Right. Obviously your email password, your phone password. Yeah. Your social media accounts. Passwords. Yeah. Your bank passwords, your Netflix passwords, your prime passwords. Your Amazon account. Yeah. Like they're everywhere and we just take the s**t for granted. Right. Again, the problem is with so many passwords is just like people try to shortcut their lives and this is what's screwing everybody over, right? Yes. Like again, 75% of people in this, across the us reuse passwords across different accounts. Yes. You'd think that's an easy way to get around this, but apparently that's like huge red flag. Number one that we're gonna stay away with. Right. 69. Percent of the people share these passwords with. 

 11:19
Colleagues. Oh my God. 

 11:21
And that's the worst cuz. And, and I've done it. I've given my brother my password to get into here. I've given my dad my oh. 

 11:27
Absolutely. Dude s**t, 

 11:29
Dude. I think half of our staff knows my knees. 

 11:32
Password. What is that? Okay. Forget about whiskey words. Here's my password. But. 

 11:38
It's true. We don't so easy, right? Yeah. 51% reuse their, the same passwords between business and personal. Oh wow. Because people are trying to circumvent all this make your lives easier for this. Right. Okay. 57%. Who've experienced a fishing attack or an attempted fishing attack still haven't changed their password behavior. Oh, that's scary. Here they've come close to being screwed over. Right. They still wasn't enough to actually change anything about their, the whole process. That's kind of disappointing that. Yeah. That's crazy. Sadly, and this one's kind of shocking. There, there are some, things available to us like two-factor, multi-factor authentication. Yep. However, almost 70% of people don't even use that in their lives. Wow. They just absolutely. They're like, no, I can't be bothered. This is one of the best ways to actually prevent this. Yeah, yeah. 

 12:29
Right. 

 12:30
Yeah. So, and this is where I was like, I started getting into rabbit hole and I'm like, this is horrible. Yes. Right. Like we can't, this is the world that we're living in, but we can't take this s**t for granted. Not that I'm like Mr. Crazy paranoid, but just like I tell my kids, it only takes. 

 12:46
One time. Yeah. And. 

 12:47
You will be royally screwed. 

 12:49
Yeah, totally. Wow. And that, those numbers are high. Like that's insane. Holy s**t, dude. They're none of them are 10%, 15%. You know what I mean? It's, it's all well, over 50, , 

 13:03
It's not, this internet is a new thing for. 

 13:05
All of us. It's not like we a little wild. Is it still around? So yeah. You know, 

 13:10
It's a bad, right. It's a bad, I'm mean, the problem is this, shit's not going anywhere. The behavior we're continually, everything we're doing is going more and more online too. Like we're pretty much even a paperless office here. Yeah. Right. Like our studios paperless. There's no paper anywhere. Yep. When something, when we do get something paper, we snap it, put it online. Yeah. Again, it's behind a password protected area. Like a lot of things that we need to discuss today. Right. Get real about cuz honestly I think this is. 

 13:40
Some serious stuff. 

 13:41
Well, I think so. Right. Yeah. Again, it's the smallest of things and that sad part is there's such a huge crossover between work and person lives and people don't get that. Yeah. Right. They just, they take it for granted, your work might, there's a better chance of your work getting hacked for information. Personally, however, identity theft is a huge thing. Yeah. And so that's personal. That's nothing to do with work. If they hack won, they have easy access to the other side. Other, other. 

 14:04
One. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 

 14:06
Geez. From like watching this episode, it was like, started seeing some of the techniques he was using on a regular basis. I started kind of to find out even more. Yeah. Right. It's like how hackers, the first thing is how they actually crack people's passwords. Mm, okay. Okay. This is gonna be short list of some of this stuff, how they actually crack it. Yeah. So first and foremost, yeah. The most popular way on how they crack PEs are by f*****g guessing. 

 14:35
How, 

 14:36
You think that's stupid, like guessing off the top of here, you're like, there's no weight. Like how's anybody so stupid. Yeah. I'm like, okay, I didn't believe that. I started doing some more research And I got this list of the top 10, most used passwords. Most commonly used passwords in north America in 2021, dude, what, 2021, this is, are. 

 15:01
You sure is 12. 

 15:03
Right. Literally they, you think it's like brain surgery, like how are these guys gonna hack them? Okay. When I look at this list, so the most popular, okay. Password used 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, you. 

 15:19
Are shooting. 

 15:21
The most popular password. Believe it or not is the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 

 15:25
Oh my God. 

 15:26
Which is f*****g unbelievable. Again, this is across, the whole us, right? The second. Geez. Okay. Is the word password? The word password is the second. Right? You mean business when you password your stuff using password, but it goes on and it go, it gets worse than the third one. It is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Okay. So one less digit. You really want to get secure. What do the five? 6, 7, 8, 9. Okay. And honestly, number six. Okay. ABC 1, 2, 3, Sean. There. 

 16:03
We go. There we go. 

 16:05
Like seriously, this one, I feel like a total f*****g Mor. Cause I didn't get this one. Number eight. Most popular is oh, QUT. 

 16:13
Quarte. Oh yeah. The, the across the, see, 

 16:16
I didn't know. 

 16:17
That. Yeah. 

 16:17
Yeah. I was like, what is that? Like I funny, I didn't realize that she was, Kathryn was like, she's like, that's look at your keyboard. It was just like, oh, Q w E R T Y all beside each other ingenious. Again, number nine, believe that are not Lord 1, 1, 1. Oh, 

 16:35
Come on. Are you serious? 

 16:37
And then yeah. And number 10. I mean this whole, top 10 list is made up of the word password one. Yeah. Quy ABC 1 23 and basically sequential numbers between one and 10, which is f*****g ridiculous. Okay. Again, it's because people are frustrated and they're just, and I'm sure some people who are listening to us right now yeah. Are guilty of this guaranteed. Sometimes it's like, you just start off using a temporary. Just I'll just quickly throw it in. Yeah. Test this software out that you like it you're committed to it. Yeah. You don't change a password. Yeah. Right. So, you think that, like we get better at this, but these are the top 10 in the us for 2021. The first number one way, how hackers often crack passwords is by guessing. 

 17:19
Just by guessing literally. Yeah. That's how they do this and. 

 17:22
That's it. Right. So that's kind of really disappointing. Cause. 

 17:25
Wait a second, your first 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. What is that 3.5 million uses. 

 17:31
Yeah. Yeah. That's kind ridiculous. Counted. Absolutely. Holy. 

 17:34
S**t. 

 17:34
That how many. 

 17:36
That's insane. Yeah. Just by, just by the first thing that comes to mind. Yep. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 

 17:43
That's brutal. Right. Like, I mean, these numbers are ridiculous. Like three and a half million. Yeah. Uses counted of just that. Those that's insane. And the word password was 1.7 million. So it's kind of embarrassing. So shame on you. So if that's the case, pause, 

 17:58
Pause, 

 17:58
Listening to us right now. Go change those passwords and come back. Oh, we'll give you a moment. Put a. 

 18:04
Dollar sign something in there at least. 

 18:07
All right. So that's number one. Okay. How they actually crack passwords. Okay. Wow. Number two. It starts getting a little better, right? They do this dictionary attack thing. Oh, okay. And a dictionary attack. It actually relies on software that just randomly, automatically plugs in words into passwords fields. Oh, okay. Right. It's just, it's doing it at such high volume. Yeah. That's the kind of cool s**t you see on TV, right. That they're like, they let the software does it right. 

 18:30
Going across. 

 18:31
The screen. Yeah. Granted, it takes much more effort and much more time, but it's also done by computer and bots. So what does it matter to. 

 18:36
That? This sounds like a set it and forget it kind of thing. 

 18:38
It, forget it. They come back and say, oh, look. 

 18:40
In. 

 18:40
Digg, figured it out three 40. 

 18:42
Hours later or whatever. 

 18:43
Like really though. Right. It is like that. So dictionary tax something else. So that's pretty crazy. Number three is I cracking security questions. 

 18:52
Oh. 

 18:52
Right. Really? This is a horrible thing because again, people often, okay. Number one, the security questions that they give you are always the same stupid s**t. Right? What's your spouses maiden name. What's your first dog's name. Yeah. Yeah. What was the city that you first went to school or your high school was located in? They're so basic and they're reused over and over. Right? Right. This is a common thing that they will sit there and they know this already. You're seeing these same things over and over. I used to take those for granted, but I just realized like my bank uses those, I've seen PayPal ask some of the same type of ones. Like some, these really high end platforms are using the same simple s**t questions. Wow. Right. Again, be careful how you answer and honestly, to your benefit pick the harder ones. Yeah. 

 19:41
Pick the ones that are more obscure, obviously, cuz again, people always go to the easiest ones cuz they don't want to be bothered with this s**t. Yes. So cracking security questions. Right. Again, keep in mind the it's also really easy s**t for them to find yes. Cracking a security question. They'll check out your social media feed. They will check out anything. Right. Your Facebook post, this that, oh look, there's her dog's name. Guess what? Yeah. Asks my dog's name. 

 20:02
That's right. That's the yeah. Yeah, exactly. 

 20:03
This s**t and the funny thing is after watching this show, a lot of these people get really creeping. They get right in there. Wow. Easy to find how much of this information is pumped. Like yeah. Yeah. Pretty nuts. Oh dude. Number four is by recycling passwords. Oh, okay. You'll use people use the same password on multiple sites. Right. If they crack it in one place. Yeah. Right. It's nothing for them to check for somewhere else. Yes. Right. Because so many people will recycle passwords. I, and again, I'm guilty. Okay. Thank God. It's just like rolly sites and stuff. Yeah. But you know like it's. 

 20:38
Yeah, yeah. 

 20:40
It's it's something that obviously I'm, I've been changing a lot of as of. 

 20:44
Lately. 

 20:44
Yeah. A just, you know, even before Mr. Robots. 

 20:49
Oh, this is crazy man. Holy. 

 20:52
And, and the other one of course that everybody here is fishing big. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Which is also referred to online as social engineering. Okay. 

 21:01
And it's true. That's. 

 21:03
Very, that's appropriate. Wow. I mean the whole point of this is how they manipulate people into performing certain actions or words to divulge confidential information that they then use afterwards. Right. This is how people, they trick people into disclosing passwords. This is the kind of s**t that you'll see, like, randomly, you'll get an email, you'll get a text from your bank. Yes. Saying, Hey, your account's been compromised log into your account right now. You click on it and it takes you somewhere that looks just like. 

 21:33
It, your bank. Yeah. 

 21:35
Yes. But it's totally not. Yes. Often, those are really tricky to spot sometimes just you have to understand that your bank will never ever ask you to do this. Yes. Right. And, and I mean, they say that we, although everything's going digital will never ask you this s**t. Exactly. So, I mean, 

 21:50
In this kind of format, people don't know that's true. This is true. It's it's hard. Some people get swindled by these things. Cause it looks, yeah, it looks so legit. You know, 

 22:00
Sometimes we, because we do so much stuff over the border, right? Yes. I'll get emails saying, Hey, something's waiting at customs for you to be cleared, at your ups account, I'm like, wait a minute. We don't use ups, click on it. It looks legit. It takes you all the way over there. Like do is fishing can get pretty, nifty these days. Right? Interesting. Inside a company they'll fish for bigger information. They'll they'll fish in order to get you to download a virus, that malware that goes all over. Oh dude, it gets pretty scary. 

 22:28
A company, not a personal thing. 

 22:30
Really. That's why like company security is such a big deal these days. Yeah. So noting personal. I mean, granted, we're talking mostly personal, but Phish scheme in companies are. 

 22:38
Huge. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Holy s**t. That's crazy. 

 22:42
Yeah. It's pretty sad that it actually kind of exists, right? Yeah. It's so easy and it just takes a quick second or something like this to, so this is where it's like, everybody's really gotta, step up their game and be aware that a lot of these things you're never gonna be able to, have asthma on a random basis. 

 22:58
Yes, Jesus. 

 22:59
Yeah. 

 23:02
I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw away my computer. I think this makes me nervous. 

 23:09
A lot to be nervous here in all fairness. Right. Especially that our livelihoods are built up on some. 

 23:15
Exactly, 

 23:16
Exactly. So, but like when they do kind of get into their, so, we know that people try to crack passwords. Right. They also try to crack accounts and they use a lot of the same techniques cracking account. They do, you know, passwords. Right. They, they know that a lot of the accounts that people use, they're gonna try using the same passwords. Right. Right. Again, you have to be careful what you apparently you never wanna do is you never want to have your email, broken into cause your email kind of everything stems to that. Right. Mm. You go to your bank and you do a forget your password. What happens? It goes to your email. Right? Right. You try to set up a new account on Netflix. It goes back to your email. Right. Right. Your email needs to be really secured, but a lot of times they'll try to crack your account versus crack your password. 

 23:59
Right. That again, they reuse passwords that they found somewhere else. Yeah. Right. To try to crack into your account and take hostage of that. Right, right. Right. You see, you hear this all the time happening on social media and stuff. Right. People are cracking into people's like Instagram accounts. Yes. Or their Facebooks. Yes. All of a sudden you get these people, who've got like a million plus followers. Yes. And all of a sudden bam. Yeah. Like it dude. Crazy. I was so obviously I follow a lot of people on Instagram, but one of my boys, Michael Jana. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I, reached out, no, he reached out to me, right? No, no. I talked to him. I talked to him. Yeah. It's a cool stranger. All of a sudden it's like, I get this email or they get this message and I'm like, oh, okay, Hey, what's up dude? 

 24:39
He is like, Hey, how's it been going? Or what, how the stock's been going, that's asked. Right. I was like, oh, I've talked to him about stocks. Right. Oh, we had a stock star. I was like, oh, this year it sucks. Tech stocks have taken such a hit man. Like, man, I should have listened to you from the start. And I left it at that. Right. I'm like, what about you? And then he's like, fine. He's like, what about crypto? I was like, oh, crypto's actually done okay for me lately. Right. I wish I could do better, but whatever. I'm still learning. He's like here, follow this technique right now. He gave me like a meta wallet and I was just like, 

 25:16
Wait a session. 

 25:17
I talked to him all. I talked to him enough to know that he's never gonna be that. Yeah. I then start going quicker. Right. I look at the account. It looks like Michael Tana's account. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's him. It's it's his posts. I went in it's his posts. I looked the followers, this account only had 12,000 followers. Well, he's up to like 200,000 followers. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. All of a sudden I'm just like, holy s**t. Like this. 

 25:43
Is funny. Yeah. Yeah. But. 

 25:44
Of course the first thing I do, I'm like, die. Hell you, I hate you, Bob. I find you I'm gonna kill you. I reached out to Michael of course. I'm like, dude, like, do what's going on? Yes. This guy just tried to like, scam me out of like crypto. Yeah. He's like, yeah, I've reached out to Instagram several times. Like Instagram is sitting on this f*****g s**t. I'm p****d off because again, it's like, it totally it's a hundred percent fake. I reported it. He's reported it. He says several other people have, this guy is still going on there, impersonating Michael Chanda. Right. Asking people for personal information per like, how does this? I mean, and they're not even taking it seriously. 

 26:26
Instagram's not. 

 26:27
Ins not dude. 

 26:29
They should be. 

 26:29
One thing, if it was maybe us, cuz we only have a few thousand people following, but here's somebody who's like a regular, who's got hundreds of thousand. Like he's a big time influencer. 

 26:38
Yeah. Yeah. Oh dude. That is disgusting. Yeah. And they don't do. 

 26:42
Anything about no, they're not doing s**t about it, which really p****s me off. Right. So again, that feels bad. I feel like, I, I can't cause much more s**t cuz I don't have as much influence as he does. Dude like, I mean I must have went back to them like five, six times, nothing, nothing. He said he has nothing. He said other people have on his behalf. Nothing. Like, I don't know what they're waiting. 

 26:59
For on this. It's funny because I've again, same kind of scenario. Not anybody in particular, but this guy just seemed like he was so like, please, if you see anything, that's just disregard it and tell me this kind of stuff. It's just like, you could just see the frustration in his dude's posts. 

 27:19
I was dude, it was just like, how. 

 27:21
Sad is that? Instagram will do nothing about this kind of thing. Nope, 

 27:24
Totally, absolutely. Which is brutal. Another way they crack into your accounts of course are like using like software, like malware, like key loggers or something. Oh where literally it will do the same thing as a dictionary thing. It'll try random combinations of your username and passwords. Just literally like it's all automated though, right? Because again, that's this scary thing, and this happens more to PCs than max. 

 27:47
I was just gonna say that used to be the, the rumor and that is actually true. 

 27:52
It is true. It is. I mean again for no, whether it's because the chain of command, right. Whether for every hundred PCs, there's one Mac that's. 

 27:59
Right, right. That's what I heard. 

 28:00
The architecture's a little different yes. On the Mac. Yes. Right. It's a little hard to get into, right. Again, their odds are much better to, hack a PC. Yes. Because again for every hundred there's one. Yes. A lot of these also require executable files to actually execute. Right. THEC file only works on a PC. Right. Doesn't work on a Mac. Doesn't work on a Mac. Right, right. I've tried to open up execut or executable files in a Mac and it just doesn't work. Yeah. Yeah. There are some things, certain software, but then even when you do open it up, if it was something that was built for a PC, it's not gonna work. 

 28:33
On. 

 28:33
It's. 

 28:33
Mac architecture. 

 28:34
Right. So one yay Mac for one thing. 

 28:37
Good, but that's just strictly because of numbers because less people, 

 28:41
Cuz the architecture's so different. It's the architecture is you do here very quickly. Like, I mean there was a worm a couple years ago that went in, fished out like information. Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Again, how hard is it to identify? Yeah. That's one thing it doesn't seem to identify very easily is which uses are on the Mac in the PC and how to actually get to those. Yeah. My understanding anyway, I'm not a pro with this and I hope no hacker is listening to this being like, I'm going to show you, 

 29:05
You f**k. 

 29:06
That's all I need. You. 

 29:08
Do f***s your didn't get it. 

 29:11
They hack accounts through Phish techniques. Of course. Right. This goes back to that whole email, the bank asking you to , reify or recheck, please log in. 

 29:21
Now. 

 29:22
Yeah. Can't do that. Right. Even Facebook and again, I've been right now. I'm like bombarded with all these Snapchats, like really, ? Oh yeah. This Snapchat's waiting for you. Log your account now this oh, so and so wants to say hi. Right. It's always famous celebrities and I'm just like, I've won about 30. 

 29:44
Cruises. 

 29:45
Over the past two months. FYI gonna be all over the f*****g world. I'm saving him up. I'm saving up all my cruises that. 

 29:53
I won all once. Yeah. The entire winter I'm gonna be gone, 

 29:57
You know, 

 29:58
To, to boat. 

 30:00
That, obviously the security questions is another thing which we talking about. Right. Like answer this mom made like, I mean, these are all the same techniques yeah. That they use to either hack into your personal, like crack your password. Yeah. But also hack into your accounts. It's funny cuz it's like the correlation between the two is it's so blurred, but people's behaviors are exactly the same and this is. 

 30:21
The problem. This is what they're working on now. Yeah, 

 30:24
Absolutely. Right. It's interesting. Yeah. Like it's like when you're so used, was it Jacobson? I think it is when you're so used. 

 30:30
To, 

 30:31
To doing something like the rest. 

 30:32
Of the world, 

 30:33
They bring that s**t because it's just it's user behavior. It's all, you know. This is where we just have to be a lot more aware of this kind of crowd. 

 30:40
And 3.5 million pull with the password. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, dude gives them all the ammunition that they need. Think. 

 30:47
About it. That's like saying 10% of America has the same f*****g password. Your odds are pretty good. I'm cracking. 

 30:55
It. Holy we crazy. Right. We shouldn't help these people. Yeah, 

 30:59
I know. Right. It's I know I'm gonna be repeating a lot of the same s**t. 

 31:04
On this podcast, but guys. 

 31:07
Shake your f*****g. 

 31:08
Please. Don't yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. 

 31:12
Though, honestly, it always seems to come back though, too. Again, this would absolve this whole 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, b******t. Okay. Except the fact that we, you have a s**t ton of, passwords. Yes. But make every password different. Yes. Everything always goes back to the same thing. Don't have a single password that you're reusing over and over. Right. I've been on accounts that had been hacked and I've received, like a, I remember once I got a text, once I got an email and it was like, Hey, we hack, this account and guess what? This is your password. And I was like, holy s**t. That was my password six years ago, 

 31:49
Six years ago. Right. 

 31:50
It was like, thank God I changed it. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Of course they're like, oh we have fancy pictures of you doing stuff. You have good taste by the way. And I'm like, 

 32:01
You do have good taste. You have good taste. But I mean really? I know you're bluffing. Yeah. That's fun. 

 32:09
I mean, again, the problem is it makes you second guess for a second, right? 

 32:13
Yeah. Yeah. 

 32:14
Could, could they be right. I didn't care about if they did have nasty pictures of me. Cause you didn't compliment me. My taste was so. 

 32:20
Good. You good? Yeah. Yeah. 

 32:22
You like the kind of cars I was looking at on a regular that got me hot, so good. I mean, the thing is, it was like, I, I knew, I, I knew that was the exact password I used six years ago. Yes. I had since changed it several times, right? Yes. Everything I'm reading is the same thing. If they were to hack into that and get my name. Yeah. That password, it's easy for them to find where else they can find my name. Right. And then make some assumptions. Oh, he's also on Netflix. He's also here. He's also in this directory and they will try that same password over and over until they actually hack. 

 32:58
Counting on the fact that you will use the same. 

 33:01
Password, same password cuz human behavior. 

 33:02
Does. That's exactly it. 

 33:03
Again, nowadays a hundred passwords. People always use the same s**t right. Year after year. Wow. The most important thing that everybody's saying across the board, everything I'm reading, everything I'm studying and from personal experience, different password, sadly for everything you do is probably the safest thing you do. Cuz then heaven forbid if only one thing gets hacked you're as long as it's not your password. Yeah. 

 33:26
You're pretty safe. You're yeah, exactly. 

 33:28
Yeah. So honestly that start doing that. Right. Unfortunately I'm gonna figure that out. Well. 

 33:35
You do, I'm gonna knock off early and I'm gonna change all my passwords. 

 33:39
Change your 1, 2, 3 for five, six, 

 33:41
Everybody to. 

 33:41
0 1, 2, 3 for five six. 

 33:43
There. 

 33:44
You go. You'll really get 'em with that zero. I mean, if in fact you get down this place, right. You're gonna start, changing your passwords and stuff. Okay. Everything I heard and from experience, everything I'm doing okay. Obviously making it a strong password and I'm sure everybody's seeing this right now, right? Yep. Everything is asking for not everything, but a lot of the better services and I stress better services. Yes. Okay. Cuz there's always gonna be we're designers. We live and breathe online. Oh. 

 34:13
The how many counts have you got? 

 34:14
We have account, you'll find, a vector file that you're like, s**t. I could use that. 

 34:20
Want that create an account. 

 34:23
Free count. Right? You're like, f**k, here I go. 

 34:25
Right. When. 

 34:26
Buy six, I'm never gonna use it again. You inevitably go back and use it. 

 34:30
Again. You do. Yeah. Always return. 

 34:32
Yeah. Yeah. Cause you remember that one file did what else? They got apps or this, or you get a free offer and we're trying s**t everywhere. It's easy to, it's really tempting to just keep reusing that same thing over and over. Totally. But a lot of those simple sites. Okay. Don't have very complex password management systems. Okay. The Netflix of today and a lot of the big platforms ask you, make it really hard. Yeah. 

 34:54
Apple, apple is awesome. I, I try to type in a password. It's like, no, that's not strong enough. F**k. I know. Please jam you. 

 35:03
Now I have to change. 

 35:04
You looking out for me. I know. Which is pretty. 

 35:07
You log in with that password and it's like wrong password. Try again. So you try a second time. No, no, I must have mistyped it wrong password. Try. 

 35:17
Again. Yeah. 

 35:18
Third time is like, Nope. Three times strike. Yeah. Reset it. You reset it type in your new password you put in that password. Well, I'm gonna just reuse that password. Oh, reuse it. Type it in. It says, Nope, can't reuse a password you already had. 

 35:32
He's just think, well Jesus, you just said I couldn't do Lynn, 

 35:37
What are. 

 35:37
You doing? Make up your mind. Oh my God. Okay. Yeah. There's a, there's a whole sidetrack there. Oh. 

 35:46
Geez. I mean again, some of the bigger, better companies are you're right. Our best interest of mine and theirs that's right. And theirs. Right. Cause they're li in the you're. Right. They want, they're deeming strong passers to be eight characters or more yeah. Combination of uppercase lowercase, symbols numbers. Right. Sometimes I hate when they ask you and they force you to do it. Yeah. It's, it's preparing us for this best practices. Yeah. Cause really that's what we need to be doing is yes. Kind of these like bigger, more elaborate, using more combination cuz the more combinations is the harder and harder is gonna be for any number one software to crack. Yeah. Cause I mean, it's one thing if they're only dealing with 26 numbers yeah. Right. Or sorry, the alphabet right. Uppercase lowercase, fine throw in numbers. Okay. That gets bigger. Now all of a sudden, if you now triple that by throwing in dashes, anything else available, all the, a sudden is just the numbers software, it's gonna take forever software these out. 

 36:45
Do that one very big, popular thing that is actually working really good this island and this is cool. It's like instead of, a, a password, yeah. Come up with a past phrase. 

 36:58
I love that. Right. 

 36:58
And these are good. 

 36:59
That's f*****g awesome. Right. 

 37:01
And apparently they're very hard to hack. Yes. Right. Because I mean who the hell knows what the hell that what's coming outta your mind. 

 37:07
Exactly. It's a string of things together. Exactly. Only, you know, 

 37:11
It only, you know, right. You can sit there and do silly things. Like my girlfriend's name is cheese or My dog drinks, bourbon. Neat. Like it's like you put that in there. Who the hell is ever gonna explains what my dog sleeps so much because he drinks his bourbon. Neat guys. 

 37:32
S**t kicks it outta there. I. 

 37:35
Know why he always, he hates ice so much. He. 

 37:38
Drinks his. That is awesome. Yeah. But stuff like that, 

 37:41
Pasts are legit right now. Surprisingly enough, even our senior programmer he's always saying screwed, what password use phrases pass phrases. String 'em together. You know, no spaces obviously. If you want, you can put a dash in between. I think they're kind of fun. 

 37:56
They want, I think they're great. Yeah. Well, cause. 

 37:58
I think the key to these kind of things is obviously you have to make it complicated, 

 38:02
But it. 

 38:03
Also has to be easy for you to remember. Yes. Right. And that's the catch. Like you have to find that balance that it makes it, hard to hack, but easy to remember. Yes. Maybe that's why, well, easy to remember, maybe people have been focusing on a little too much lately according to 2020 anyone America's passwords. But. 

 38:25
Yes. Honestly 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 is not afraid. You. 

 38:29
Know, you've got that s**t as your password, you deserve to be hacked. 

 38:32
You do, 

 38:32
You deserve to have your picture, you doing the nasty because you're asking for problems. 

 38:38
Okay. No, you exquisite tastes or whatever it was then. Oh God. 

 38:42
I mean, ways to project yourself and this one's pretty straightforward obviously, avoid bad passwords. Yes. Bad passwords being the stupid. 

 38:52
Again, see earlier to. 

 38:53
Re Stay away from the top 10%. Also, and here's a big one, right? Bad passwords also are sports teams. You're loving. 

 39:05
This. I honestly, I had no idea. This was really, 

 39:12
It was a thing, dude. It's a thing. 

 39:15
It's kind of, it kind of makes me sad for humanity . 

 39:21
The internet isn't proof. The internet is gonna be the. 

 39:23
End to all of us really is. Oh s**t. Okay. Sorry. I'm gonna refocus. No, no. That's brilliant. But, 

 39:30
But I mean bad passwords. They're not just these silly string of numbers or letters on the keyboard, right? Yes. They also include things like, and I never thought about this, but like sports teams or birthdays or dates or addresses or like getting fancy with the word password by changing the, this is a dollar size. 

 39:47
You're still using password. 

 39:49
No, but I mean, again, it's like some of it's like, pretty obvious stuff, right? Yeah. I know some of the bands you like chances are, you should probably stay away from using some of the bands you like. 

 39:58
Right, right, 

 39:59
Right. It's you think it's easy to remember, but it's also easy for others to realize too. It's true. So, number one, obviously like, protect yourself, best practice to protect yourself is avoid, stupid passwords, bad passwords, something like that. Number two, surprisingly enough. Never reveal your password to people is everybody's reckon mending. I mean maybe we, we're flippant with this stuff. Maybe we think it's too easy, but writing it down or giving it to people and having it lie around is like a very bad no-no like, again, we need to control this s**t. Yeah. Like a lot. We need to like lock it down. Unfortunately. 

 40:32
From now on, when we do a liquor run, we charge it back to you. Yeah. Charge it back. 

 40:37
Don't take my card. 

 40:38
Don't take your card. Okay. 

 40:40
It expires this month on a good note. I might have to actually do this. Obviously length Trump's complexity. This is why past phrases are great. Okay. Because again, we have to remember that. Yes. The way these systems work, it always starts, digit after dig. We can keep growing, which is what I pass. Phrases are really popular. Mm. Of course, complexity still plays a huge part to this. Right. Right. This is where we need to remember, you wanna make passwords that are hard to guess, but easy to remember. This is where people start mixing up, characters to replace, symbols. Yes. Or, space instead of, a dash you use an underscore or something, right? Yes. Like you want, wanna make it complex enough so you can remember what it is that you're using on a regular basis. Yeah. It's hard for people to understand, are they using dashes underscores? 

 41:26
Are they using dollar signs? Are they using numbers? 

 41:28
Those are the variables that are, there's a lot that really kinda throw you out and they. 

 41:32
Can. Right. Again, those are the saving grace, right? Yes. A big thing of course is you want to implement two factor authentication yes. Or multifactor authentication when that's available. Anytime that's available. Yes. Jump all over that ship. Because what that is that's saying it needs a second way to verify that you are who you are. Yeah. So on our Dropbox account, right. Our two factor sends a text that's right. Exactly. It says, Hey, in order for, Sean signing into a brand new computer in order for you to be able to open up that account. Yep. 

 42:04
Have to give me. 

 42:05
The, I have to give you that code, the. 

 42:06
Six digit code. Right. 

 42:07
It comes to me, this happens when you're requesting your passwords. Some accounts that I have, like I have some crypto account obviously. And my online banking s**t. Yep. Every time I open it's pushing a new number to a third party app that I have to log into, get that it's a, it's like, that's like a multifactor and then Google goes back s**t. Yeah. Google has something called Google authenticator. It's an app that you put on there. Some of these, like of the crypto sites that we use, it'll go from crypto, you wanna log in, great. We've pushed a number to your authentication. It doesn't even say what authentication system it is. Oh, we've pushed a number to your authentication system type that number in. I have to then log into that one quickly. I got 60 seconds and I have to transfer that number. Really? 

 42:50
Yeah. So again, this happens with cell phone. A lot of times, PayPal yeah. Will give me an option for a one time password. If I'm logging in on a random computer that I've never used before, instead of typing in my password and randomly, potentially if there's malware there, it could remember by name and password. Yeah. It's like, instead of that, PayPal will text you a one time password. Right. Again, so multifactor authentications, that's the two factor. That's awesome. That is huge. Yeah. That is gonna be the saving grace because that's, that starts getting really hard to. 

 43:23
Hack. And, and that's the thing too, is like how many times have you, are you without your phone? Always you're right. 

 43:29
Absolutely. Yeah, exactly. It's like an implant. I think they said like 90. No, is it 94 to people, claim that their phone is with an arms length away all. 

 43:39
The time, 

 43:40
24 hours a day. That pretty much qualifies as an implant. Yes. Right. 

 43:43
Exactly. That's pretty scary. And, and such a great, like such a great fail, safe to absolutely. To have text you Absolut. So you've got that double. 

 43:53
Absolutely. Right. Even if somebody's, and their apple also does this, by the way, many times I'll be like, that's, somebody is trying to log into your account at this location. It gives me a.in like Northern Alberta. I was like, well, I'm currently outside of Toronto. So that's obviously not me. And I deny it. Yes. Right. So something weird like that. Yes. So again, huge, huge. If you have the opportunity to use multifactor authentication in any way, jump all over that ship, you have to jump all over that. 

 44:24
Ship, right? Yes. That's actually brilliant. Really it's not a terrible inconvenience to not at all to be texted and drop in. No, 

 44:32
Not at all. Right. Absolutely. 

 44:33
Boom. You're in, you know what I mean? Like that's nothing and that's perfect for the peace of mind. 

 44:38
Absolutely. So there is even one step further. A lot of the technology now has got like biometric type of, like technology is actually, aiding to verify who you are. Right. Think about it, the new iPhones he's got the face scan. Oh, right. There's no password. It looks at your face detection. Right. S**t. You've got, my, your MacBook has got the touch ID, 

 44:59
The touch ID. I love that. 

 45:01
Okay. Again, it's kind of, it's silly and it paint, sometimes it pain in the ass, but think about it. It's like approve this touch, touch ID, you touch it. Whenever, there's some advance, I authentication method available. Yeah. You jump on that. Yes. Because you can't hack that. Yes. Right. That's not something that's, it starts getting really difficult. Yes. This is like PCs have got some facial recognition. Some things are looking into like heartbeat, heart rhythm apparently is like a thumbprint. I know it's pretty crazy. Right. Again, your thumbprint, your eye, like, I mean, it's coming, the shit's coming, dude. Yeah. You know what, like let's face it. That's we're gonna be online. They're asking for our eyes. They're asking for our face, our thumbprints. Yeah. Our bank accounts and. 

 45:41
Their bank account. And. 

 45:42
We're just dumb. 

 45:43
Here you go. 

 45:47
But it's true. Just base it. Everything's online. 

 45:51
Yeah, totally. You're right. You're absolutely right. So you've gotta protect yourself. That's right. 

 45:55
Huge. One of the biggest things online, everywhere, the best practice, if you can, if you want to go down this road, use a password management program. Oh. And I know you hate this, Sean. 

 46:07
You know what I do not. You do, you. 

 46:10
Do this two people in this whole place that hate. 

 46:12
It, but I, but the one person, I don't think she uses it at all. Does she? 

 46:19
No, she be grudgingly done. Oh, she. 

 46:21
Does. Oh she, but I do you just doing it all? No, no. I do. Do you? I have some things on there for sure. Yeah. Okay. Okay. But some things I don't have. 

 46:29
F**k. We use in fairness life, as far as I'm concerned, got so much simpler agency wise because you love it. Yeah. Well, I, I love it in the sense that, so we use a password manager, right. We use, we use one password, one. 

 46:43
Password. 

 46:44
You know, and again, went through research. There's a whole bunch out there. Right. There's Nord something or another there's Dashlane. I, I researched like six or seven them and one password came up because it's seem to have been, in my opinion, kind of graphic designer friendly, cuz it was visual. It was, it was easier to use. Yeah. I'm sure some of these other ones are, but okay. There's like it's now in my browser. Right. As like a simple button. Yep. It's on my cell phone. Yep. It also is an app on my phone. Right. Oh. It's like all the, I only have to remember one password, but okay. For your own recommendation, it has to be very, very complicated. Very. 

 47:19
Complicated. 

 47:19
Don't don't do password 1, 2, 3. Yeah. 

 47:22
Okay. 

 47:22
Exactly. Don't even think you're doing password with SS as a dollar sciences with the S like literally it's like you do one password, make it as complicated as hell. Make sure you never forget that one password. Yep. All right. Anytime you need to access anything else, it's literally a click away and you don't ever see what that other password is. Yes. That's the thing. It automatically creates these giant, like 32 digit. I know. It's. 

 47:47
Crazy random thing. Yeah. 

 47:49
Crazy. 

 47:49
You never show the eyeball like to see it. 

 47:51
It's God it's. I. 

 47:53
Know. I would never ever remember, dude, 

 47:55
I have tried to type those in manually. 

 47:58
Yeah, that would be a nightmare. 

 48:00
The reality is it's like, it'll automatically, when you sign up for new accounts, it's like, it recommends, it automatically knows that you're setting up this password and it automatically recommends it. Yeah. Says, Hey, here's a password for you. It's like 50 digits long and this and that. This, it, it hits all of the requirements. Right. And then it stores it. For me, as a, as obviously an owner, the nice thing is no. Not that I have any trust issues with anybody, but the reality is nobody even knows the passwords. They're just automatically and it automatically fills it in. Yeah. Right. Even if somebody was to be victim of a phishing attack, unfortunately then, we're still covered because everything has its own password. Everything is different. Right. The only scary thing about these password management programs is initially, for me as the owner, when you sign up, they give you one master password. 

 48:49
If I f**k up and lose that, Everything's gone everything, and that's scary f*****g. 

 48:56
Really yet. Cause if you're locked out of the master password, yes. Then we would be, 

 49:01
And that would be the one. And it's true. Cause it would cripple everything all over again. It really would. Yeah. That's the one thing that is like the fact is we have hundreds of different apps sites this, that we deal with. The nice thing is this thing also lets me do my own per it does business, but it does. 

 49:16
Personal. See, this is what were talking about earlier today. So now you. 

 49:20
Even, you can have like just personal, like, your home Netflix. 

 49:23
Account. Yes, exactly. 

 49:25
And again, cuz it, it's all legit. It's all tied together. Yes. 

 49:29
It's all under one umbrella, but it just, I can go into mine personal one. 

 49:35
Like take all your personal stuff. 

 49:36
Exactly. 

 49:37
That's why it's important. 

 49:38
Yeah. And, and I'm, I'm coming around to that. You have to dude, 

 49:43
When I saw you pull out and this only happened recently, He's like, oh no, I got the password. 

 49:48
Don't tell him, 

 49:50
Pulls out piece of paper with all this neatly organized well typed passwords with the accounts and the websites. Just like, dude, we gotta talk, man. 

 50:03
We talk, I know I I'm so old. I think. 

 50:09
The ulcer, when I saw that, 

 50:12
I could tell you were just like, oh God man, Sean, 

 50:19
Sean, 

 50:19
Sean. Well, after, it's funny after this podcast, I swear to God, I'm the first f*****g convert to this. I. 

 50:27
Was just like really? Holy cause some of this information's pretty crazy to hear. Right. It's absolutely. How crippling it is for companies like they will hostage. Like some people will. 

 50:36
Go in. Yes. And that's awful. 

 50:38
You hear the kind of companies that it just really sucks. Right? Like, the reality is, the one thing to prevent is obviously unique passwords everywhere. When we're expected to remember 100 unique passwords, a make them complicated. Yes. Like you can see why human behavior wants to try to make their lives easier. Yeah. Yeah. They're thinking, oh, I I'll be okay. Nobody, but when you're using one, do the five, six, and then you're using that same password across everything. It's tied with your email and this and that. You dude, you're just ask, you're asking, have your, and dude think of the implications. It's like, then all of a sudden they're taking your identity. They could be like ranking up your credit. They could be f*****g all business. These just. 

 51:17
Messing your life up big time. 

 51:19
Dude. I, I don't, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. No, 

 51:21
No. That's. 

 51:22
Heard stories that it takes people years to get that s**t back in order. I got I'm too busy as it. 

 51:28
Is. Totally. Totally. Totally. This the future, do you think these one password and stuff like that? 

 51:35
Yeah. Well, I mean, do I think a password manager? I don't, I wouldn't say it's the future. I think it's the now, 

 51:40
Oh, it's the now I think. 

 51:41
It's where we are. Okay. I think the future is going all biometric and that's scary to say, I really do. What it's, like I said, it's ridiculous. There is this study. Oh no, it wasn't a study. It was dude on the street was like saying that they were, he's pretending this was on CBC and it was like downtown Toronto. He was like, Hey, he was showing, he was like, oh, we've got an implant of this new product, implant of the phone on your arm. He was showing and it was fake. It was all done makeup wise, but it showed like an embedded, piece of software on the arm. And it was like their cell phone. It was like, it was just pointless, would you and of the people, it was like over half. The people were like, I want that. I want it embedded. I want that. 

 52:23
Like, this is, and it's sad cuz I think this is where the future is going. I think. Wow. I think it's more going. I mean think about it. Like they're checking out a eyes, they're check. 

 52:31
Out our heartbeat. 

 52:32
They're checking out. Like, I mean like thumbprint. 

 52:34
Or fingerprint. 

 52:35
Nothing. 

 52:35
Anymore. 

 52:35
Yeah. Yeah. That's the crazy thing right? Old. 

 52:37
School, right? Yes. 

 52:38
With all this, I, I do think that it's going more technology biometric. I think it's gonna be all personalized. Yeah. That's the scary part. Yes. Then, I mean at that point, man is the end of the world. That's it? Once we have one number to represent us, we're. 

 52:54
Screwed. Yeah. We really are. Yeah. Right. 

 52:58
Geez. On so many levels. No, that's pretty scary. I, I think that's the future in some ways or another, but I do think that password managers help them now. Yes. Now I still believe that we're in the wild west of the internet. Right. Like right now it's an open space. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Nothing's regulated. Which I'm shocked. Yeah. Right. Unless you're in a communist country. Yes. It's open and it's led to a lot of really s****y crap. A lot of s**t. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Will they ever lock down the internet? Will they ever? I don't know, but I still feel it's only 20 years old. Yeah. It's literally only 20 years old, like mass market. So I'm sorry. Maybe 22, 23 right now. Right. It's only where it's hit, like what we experience right now, which is nothing it's I can't even say it's it's a B and time it's a B in a lifetime, like somebody's lifetime. 

 53:42
It's only like 20 years. It's nothing. Yeah. Who knows what the future's to come, but right now with so many people out to scam your information, your personal contact and stuff. Yeah. I think that password managers are the reality of what we need right now. It made my life a hell lot easier. Yeah. I'm not saying you have to do that. Yeah. Right. Like honestly, so like I really don't believe you have to do that. One of the things to wrap this up, obviously we need to, I think we need to accept the fact that in order to be safe, you need a different password everywhere. Yeah. Because if one site gets hacked, you're not screwed. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're reusing your same password. Right. So, cause. 

 54:22
That's the first thing that they'll go they're they'll do Susie crack one. They're gonna go over to the next, in the. 

 54:26
Next, next then they'll have your name. Yeah. Your email. Yeah. And. 

 54:30
The likelihood. 

 54:31
And this password. Yeah. Human behavior shows that people are reusing the same passwords. Yes. The first thing they're gonna do is go Beline and be like, okay, where else is this person using this? Let's try it on Netflix. Let's try it on at this bank, at this bank. Yeah. I mean, human behavior shows that, the numbers are in their favor, like for trying to hack. I think the first thing we need to do is accept the fact that the online world sucks right now. Yeah. We need, different, unique passwords for every login to be safe. You don't have to. Yeah. Number one, I think we have to accept that fact. Right? Yeah. Number two, we have figure out our brains are not smart enough. They're not, they're not like, I mean, you can't remember a hundred different user names, passwords. There's no way sites. Oh, I'm on, I stock photo today. 

 55:19
I used, this password I'm here. So, you have to step number two, you have to accept the fact that you have to store it somewhere. Yes. I don't care where the f**k it is. I don't care if it's in an Excel sheet, understand that Excel sheet is gonna be tied to your computer. Okay. Put it online. Okay. Fine. Except the fact that it might get hacked online one day. Mm. Right. There's so many, factors, heck put it in a little black book if you want beside your computer. Yeah. If it gets lost, the house gets burnt down or whatever. Right. Except the fact that you need different passwords everywhere and you need to store them somewhere because whether or not you think you can remember them all. Yeah. I doubt it. Right. Yeah. So that's number two. Now that we're storing passwords, number three. Yep. 

 55:59
Come up with a system that works for you. What I mean by system here is, everybody's got different, we talked about, complicated passwords. Yeah. We talked about mixing symbols, the letters, numbers. We talked things past phrases. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yes. Embody a system, take a system, embrace a system and use that system to make your life a little easier. That's what you should count on. Right? Like that, I'm gonna be the kind of person that's gonna use a capital on every first, the first letter I'm gonna replace all my vowels with symbols. Yeah. Or I'm gonna replace all my vowels with numbers and, develop a system that works for you that you can remember. Yes. Okay. It's not that it's easily hacked. Yeah. It's just something that's easy to remember. Cause I mean, good luck for them to try to hack that. Yeah. Try to realize, oh, I'm gonna figure out every other possible combination. 

 56:48
No, no. Yeah. This is to make your life a little easier. Come up with some system for vowels letters, symbols, pass phrases, whatever the. 

 56:56
Hell it is. Not every person, not every hacker is gonna know that your dog takes his whiskey. Neat. 

 57:01
That's right. My dog drinks, his whiskey. Neat. 

 57:05
Like that's okay. That's really cool. Like that's a great and I'm remembering it, what I mean? It's but it's such a, it works. 

 57:14
It works. That s**t works. It's true. As of tomorrow, everybody's gonna start using my dog drinks. His whiskey needs, 

 57:22
That'll be the you hot password. 

 57:27
Whatever the system is, honestly, as long as it's a system that helps you remember and be consistent because again, sometimes, through my past 20 years, I've switched systems, then it get messy. This, that, so it's like, Nope, this is a system I use. Yeah. Right. Last but not least, or not last, but if possible. Right. Use multifactor in some way, whether it's two factor. Yes. Another device, whether it's biometric, whether, what, in that case, like, use what other technologies available to prevent this. Right. Okay. Yeah. In my opinion, last but not least use a password manager. Yes. And, and I, I'm not plugging anybody. I personally, we use one password. I like it. Yes. I researched all the other ones. I'm not getting any kickbacks. We are not sponsored. I just, I app, if I like something and I'm pretty simple, like, I really like an easy user interface, easy to use if it's too complicated, if it's too yes. 

 58:22
Dos or windows, like. 

 58:23
I hate it. Forget it. We're forget it. So. 

 58:26
This one's, it was easy enough, but I mean use any password manager if you can. Right. The reality is, you follow these like six little points. You'll be fine with this right now. Totally. Right. I think we can kind of keep evolving from here, but yes. Yeah. That's the tricky part. I think this is where we are now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 

 58:43
And, and like you said, I, I mean, that's, I had no idea this was do it. This was Fri as eye opening and I literally I'm standing across from you and I'm like, 

 59:00
Yeah, you guys just, I can't believe that you have that s**t on paper in your desk. 

 59:05
I am getting rid of that f*****g thing. I swear to God, how, 

 59:09
How have I managed to stay in business so long By hiring very good people. 

 59:18
I'm good at, I'm not good at everything. 

 59:22
Oh, you lack in some ways you definitely make up another, all right. 

 59:26
All my passwords are at the bottom of my shoe. 

 59:29
Right, 

 59:31
Right. Where they belong, if you just didn't. 

 59:35
Give such great back rubs, it'd be easier to give you s**t on things. But damn do. 

 59:41
I'm telling you, what can I say? I know my strengths. 

 59:49
Oh my. 

 59:50
God. Oh, 

 59:51
You see, by the end of the podcast, it gets like this. Right. We get silly. Alcohol's kicked in. We're like, yeah, we're. 

 59:56
Done. Yeah. We're, we're feeling pretty good at this point. Oh, sure. So I. 

 01:00:00
Think, damn. 

 01:00:01
Yeah. S**t. 

 01:00:03
I think this covers a lot. I hope we haven't made you guys go to sleep, but by all means, protect yourself. Yeah. Protect yourself nowadays. Like you need to, this. 

 01:00:11
Stuff is gold. I'm telling you. I think so. I, it really is. It's very important. Cause you don't wanna get hacked. 

 01:00:16
No, you don't wanna be the victim in all this, 

 01:00:17
Right? Yes, exactly. Exactly. 

 01:00:19
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 01:01:00
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 01:01:13
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 01:01:43
That would be terrible. 

 01:01:44
That would be on a personal or business level. 

 01:01:46
That would suck. Yes, yes. Yeah. Yes. It would be like, and considering like you said, if it takes two years to recover from something like. 

 01:01:54
This on the identity theft part at minimum, 

 01:01:57
What a, what a. 

 01:01:58
Nightmare imagine when that would do to your business. Yes, 

 01:02:00
Exactly. Exactly. 

 01:02:01
Imagine if it got out that a customer is like, oh, they were careless would with our account are cared us with our information. Do you trust them? Like no. Exactly. That's what I mean, people trust us and we need to respect that. Yeah. 

 01:02:12
Sadly, right. Yeah. No, no, absolutely. Absolutely. Wow. Cool. 

 01:02:16
Bud. 

 01:02:17
This was great. All. 

 01:02:18
Right. Cool. Well, I feel even that much more scared, but now I'm gonna start season two of Mr. Robot tonight. I'll let you guys known next thing. Maybe, maybe he. 

 01:02:26
Has a change of heart that he doesn't. No, let's stop doing all this. 

 01:02:30
Stuff. I'll let you know what the next podcast. All right, everybody. My name is Mosi Mo yeah. My name is Sean creative. 

 01:02:39
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